And so it is...

Monday, March 7, 2011

USANA Health Sciences - Some More Cows Beb?





To any of you readers who doesn't like to read omputeh (for whatever reason), please scroll down below to the end of this article... even though I strongly advised against it, because the infos that I gathered here is a must-read, for you to understand about this crappy USANA thingy.


A Forbes Magazine Article

Multilevel Marketing
Hard To Swallow
Evelyn M. Rusli, 08.08.07, 11:25 AM ET

In February, Usana Health Sciences seemed untouchable. Shares in the vitamin maker were roaring towards an all-time-high above $60. The company was preparing to announce its 20th consecutive quarter of record sales. Its global empire was expanding, with the addition of Malaysia, its 14th country. 

That may well have been the zenith of Usana's 15-year existence. On March 19, Usana revealed it was the subject of an informal Securities and Exchange Commission probe into its sales practices. Then, in July, its long-time auditor abruptly and mysteriously resigned.

Now things are getting worse. Last week, sources told Forbes.com that the FBI had launched a criminal investigation into the company. Usana says it isn't aware of any such probe. Meanwhile, Usana is suing Barry Minkow, a convicted felon-turned-fraud-buster, who penned a 500-page report alleging that the company's fantastic performance in recent years came not from selling vitamins but via a pyramid scheme that roped suckers into a multilevel marketing scheme from which few would be able to glean profits.

Usana claims Minkow improperly shorted its shares in concert with unnamed codefendants. The company alleges they arranged so-called naked short sales, creating phantom shares that put enormous pressure on the real stock price. That would have been illegal, but also a pretty good strategy: The stock has plunged 41.2% since its March high. Minkow admits to having held put options on Usana, but says he didn't profit from them and claims that he never naked shorted the stock.

"We believe everything he says to be false," Usana spokesman Joseph Poulos told Forbes.com. "He's a liar; he's a criminal - he can't be trusted." Minkow, who has assisted federal and state authorities in 21 closed fraud cases, remains unfazed by the lawsuit, calling it a diversion to mask Usana's real problems.

Usana, Minkow alleges, is a convoluted pyramid scheme that baits consumers with promises of personal wealth and leaves them empty-handed. Instead of offering its products in stores, Usana is a multilevel marketer, with a network of 178,000 distributors selling its line of nutritional supplements and personal-care products to consumers. In theory, distributors can make money by selling products to anybody who wants them, but they can make much bigger profits by recruiting other salespeople and getting a share of their revenue. 

To get into the company's commission program, a Usana associate must front an initial fee of $20 to $50 for a business starter kit, buy roughly $150 in products and then order about $120 of goods each month, either for sale or personal use. Minkow and other critics say Usana distributors aren't really paying for the products - they're ponying up the cash to participate in the profit-sharing network, which each can do once they've roped in two new recruits. Usana's promotional materials are emblazoned with phrases like "true wealth" and "financial freedom."

Usana disagrees, saying its members are "end users" who get involved less to make money than to enjoy Usana's vitamins at wholesale discounts. However, a customer does not have to sign up as a distributor to access the wholesale prices. One can also join as a "preferred" customer at no additional cost.

The company offers a diverse trove of nutrition and personal care products spanning from natural toothpaste to hair-care goods. Its best-selling product, however, is a 28-day pack of Essentials, a set of multivitamins and mineral supplements that wholesale for $39.95, or $1.43 a day. The product costs significantly more than standard retail varieties of vitamins, such as Centrum, whose multivitamins cost approximately $7.00 for a 50-pill bottle, or 14 cents a day. Usana says its premium is justified because its products offer "high-quality, certified nutritional supplements that are in a class by themselves."

Not quite, according to Anthony Almada, the president and chief scientist of Imaginutrition, a consulting firm for the nutritional supplement industry. Alamada, who has more than 30 years of experience in the industry, said Usana's vitamins are not that special. "The economic reality of Usana, and other [multilevel marketing] entities, mandates that their products invariably lack robust distinctiveness and convincing evidence of consumer relevance and superiority - achievable through rigorous clinical trials only - to their retail counterparts," Almada said.

The key question, according to James Kohm, associate director for the Federal Trade Commission's Bureau of Consumer Protection, is whether the company is really in the vitamin business. "Are they truly retail sales or simply incidental to participate in the scheme?" 

Robert Fitzpatrick, the president of Pyramid Scheme Alert, who was contracted by Minkow to review Usana's structure, says there's another big problem: The company's sales model is untenable, at least from the point of view of recent recruits being able to find new distributors to work for them. "If this chain were continued just 26 levels, it would exceed the number of households in the U.S.A.," Fitzpatrick said in a recent report. "Usana's "success" depends on the "failures" of tens of thousands of recruits." 

Usana wouldn't tell Forbes.com what portion of its distributors actually do turn a profit, but in an April conference call, Chief Financial Officer Gil Fuller said, "You only have something on the order of about 12% of people who get into this business with the intent of making money." 

"The people who work at it are the ones that in fact generate the income for themselves. Those that don't, or do it for product reasons, obviously don't." 

While the average distributor doesn't make enough to cover the cost of a one-month supply, the company and its senior executives have done somewhat better. The Salt Lake City-based firm has experienced explosive growth since being founded in 1992 by Chief Executive Officer Myron Wentz. It operates in 14 countries and has 889 employees. In the last five years, the stock has skyrocketed from less than 70 cents a share on a split-adjusted basis to an all-time-high of $61.80 in February. It ended on Tuesday at $36.20. In the second quarter, Usana blew past the Street’s second expectations by posting profits of $18.2 million, or 66 cents a share--above analysts’ estimate of 62 cents. From 2004 to 2006, Usana held a spot on Forbes' top 200 small companies list.

By the books, Usana seems to be in the prime of financial health, but Minkow doesn't buy it. He says the company is dotted with red flags. He claims that Wentz has renounced his American citizenship and stows his 50% shareholder stake in the tax haven of Lichtenstein. According to Minkow, company insiders wring cash out of Usana through a concert of buybacks and stock dumps. Since the summer of 2003, Usana's board and executives have sold $100 million in shares. Meanwhile, the company has repurchased $211 million in stock since late 2000. This week, Usana announced an additional $50 million in repurchases.

In essence, according to Minkow, Usana is using shareholder funds to support its stock price while its insiders cash out. Not so, says Usana, which claims the aggressive buyback program reflects "management and the board's decisions to use excess cash reserves to return value to shareholders and avoid share dilution." 

Then, there's the auditor situation. Grant Thornton, Usana's auditor for more than a decade, resigned in July. Thornton did not respond to requests for comment, but in an SEC filing released Aug. 1, Usana said the firm initially disagreed with its audit committee on when to "engage independent consultants" in the company's investigation into Minkow's accusations. Usana's audit committee wanted to complete an internal investigation first before considering an independent consultant, but Grant Thornton wanted to employ an independent counsel immediately.

Fuller, Usana's CFO, said the company has not secured a new auditor. He refused to speculate on why Grant Thornton quit, aside from saying "From every indication I've been told, they were satisfied with the work," and the firm's departure "did not relate to any of the financial statements." 

"It was a little bit frustrating," Fuller said. "Life is too short to dwell too much on it." 

Usana has enough other problems it could dwell on. In June, Fuller and Jerry McClain, a board member who is also a member of the audit committee, agreed to stop representing themselves as certified public accountants (they used to be). Also that month, a leading sales associate stepped down from the company's medical advisory board after Minkow revealed he no longer had a medical license - he turned over his license in 2004 after allegations surfaced that he had inappropriately doled out prescriptions to a family member. In April, Dennis Waitley resigned from the board of directors but stayed on as company spokesman soon after Minkow uncovered that he lied about having received a master's degree from the U.S. Navy (he didn't).

In addition, the company may have breached a loan covenant regarding a $40 million line of credit from Bank of America, which could force it to pay back its borrowings. As of the end of June, the company had borrowed a little more than $34.5 million under that facility. According to the terms of the credit line, the company's total debt cannot be more than 2.5 times its cash flow, or earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization. 

The company believes it is within those bounds because its debt load is relatively low. Even though the company lists $35.2 million in "other current liabilities" in its second-quarter press release, Usana said a large portion of that is revenue "that we cannot recognize until the product is shipped and not an actual payment we will make to a third party." 

However, after evaluating the loan document and Usana's recent filings, Don Coker, a banking specialist, said the company had less than $4 million in deferred revenue in the first quarter and even less than that in the fourth quarter of 2006. "In my opinion, to state that the $35 million plus in 'other liabilities' does not constitute 'debt' appears to be inconsistent with how a bank normally would make such a calculation," Coker said. 

After adding the Bank of America loan and Usana's current liabilities--and subtracting $4 million in deferred revenue--the company's consolidated funded debt totaled $65.7 million, making its ratio 3.6-to-1. "They could be in violation of one of the covenants of their loan," said Coker, who holds a certificate in business valuation from Harvard Business School and has testified as an expert witness in hundreds of cases. The company disagrees, insisting that it is in compliance with the loan's covenants.

If Usana does have too much debt, Bank of America can revoke the entire loan. Bank of America did not return multiple calls seeking comment. Faced with this tempest of controversy, Usana remains optimistic. "We have total confidence that we'll come out with flying colors on this. We're not wringing our hands over this matter," Fuller said.
Evidence of Scam Mounts Against The MLM Company
Usana Health Sciences

Forbes Magazine reported in 2007 that the FBI had initiated a criminal investigation of the MLM, Usana Health Sciences. The Forbes article includes the extraordinary news that the national accounting firm that audits Usana's books, Grant Thornton, had suddenly quit.

An 2007 investigative article in the prestigious New Zealand business magazine, National Business Review, revealed that thousands of New Zealand consumers are being solicited by Usana without getting true or complete facts about almost certain financial losses they will suffer in the scheme. Entitled, “Most People Won’t Get their Money Back” the article quoted government statistician Murray H Smith, who has served as an expert witness in New Zealand pyramid scheme cases, “you can make a very strong argument that this could be a pyramid scheme.”

Usana distributors accused the company of fraud and filed a class action lawsuit that sought to shut down Usana operations in California. A California judge dismissed the case.

In a letter to Deborah Platt Majoras, Chairman of the Federal Trade Commission, the consumer education and advocacy group, Pyramid Scheme Alert, requested that the FTC open an investigation of Usana Health Sciences, headquartered in Utah. Pyramid Scheme Alert also sent alert letters to the Attorneys General in all 50 states.

Very little revenue is gained from actual retail customers (consumers who are not in the pay plan) and even less distributors’ profits come from retail sales. In this lack of retail revenue of profits to distributors, Usana operates in a very similar manner to Burnlounge Inc., which has been prosecuted by the Federal Trade Commission as a pyramid scheme.

The Wall Street Journal has reported:
1. Numerous class action suits have been brought by Usana shareholders that charged the company misrepresented important information or withheld it.
2. The founder of Usana renounced US citizenship to swear allegiance to a well known offshore tax haven. He also parked the largest block of the company’s stock in another offshore tax haven.
3. The founder of Usana – same one that renounced his USA citizenship for a tax haven – sold millions of dollars of shares of Usana stock when it reached its highest price ever – and just before the stock plunged when the Wall Street Journal reported findings of a fraud investigation report.
4. The Usana Chief Financial Officer admitted he had falsely reported he is a CPA.
5. A major spokesman and Usana director admits he faked his academic credentials.
6. A major medical advisor for Usana admits he had falsely claimed he is a licensed M.D. when he is not.

Usana's own published data, when properly analyzed, revealed that 99% of all distributors do not earn a profit.
1. Usana will not disclose the total number of distributors that quit the scheme each year, but experts estimate it is between 50-90%. Effectively, the scheme is constantly collapsing, since distributors are also the “customers.”
2. Usana products are priced as much as 20 times higher than similar products sold in retail sales. The pyramid recruitment money (about 40% of the price) is imbedded in these high prices and is passed upline to the recruiters. 3% of the recruiters at the top get over 70% of all commissions.
  


Letter from Pyramid Scheme Alert to Chairman of FTC
FTC INVESTIGATION REQUESTED OF USANA HEALTH SCIENCES
May 4, 2007

Deborah Platt Majoras
Chairman
US Federal Trade Commission
600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20580

Dear Commissioner Majoras:

We respectfully request that the Federal Trade Commission immediately open an investigation of the company, Usana Health Services, based in Salt Lake City, Utah. Publicized evidence indicates that this company is marketing a “business opportunity” in which tens of thousands of US consumers are lured each year to invest thousands of dollars and countless hours and effort in a business opportunity based upon the fraudulent trick of “endless chain” recruiting.

The Securities & Exchange Commission has already opened an informal inquiry into the company following revelations in The Wall Street Journal .

According to The Wall Street Journal, each year more than 92% of all “active” Usana participants do not earn a profit in Usana. (Many more lose money that are not officially counted by Usana as “active”. Their exact number and the full scale of losses are not disclosed by Usana). The great majority quit the scheme within a year after suffering losses. The mission of the Usana scheme is to replace these consumers with other victims, using the same lures and promises based upon the consumers’ making financial investments and engaging in pyramid recruiting.

Our organization, Pyramid Scheme Alert, a non-profit, non-partisan consumer education group, has received inquiries and complaints from consumers about the marketing and business practices of Usana.

The Wall Street Journal staff applied Usana’s sales and financial data in a test used by the Federal Trade Commission in previous prosecutions to determine if a multi-level marketing company is a direct selling company or a pyramid scheme. It found that 63% of all Usana sales to distributors would need to be retailed to consumers for Usana to pass the test of legality. Currently only 14% of reported sales are made on a retail basis. All other sales go only to distributors. Few are ever retailed.

A recent report by the well respected investigation company, Fraud Discovery Institute, revealed – and The Wall Street Journal fact-checked and reported – that products of Usana Health Sciences are priced extraordinarily higher than comparable products, (e.g. Usana's price for its vitamins is more than 20 times that of mass-market brands like Wyeth's Centrum).

Additionally, upon signing up, Usana induces consumers to increase their initial investment with the purchase of “business centers”. These “centers” are not locations and have no intrinsic value. They serve no other business purpose than to increase initial investment and to offer higher rewards based on recruiting other investors.

The combination of the practices of (1) inducing high up front investments with (2) promises of higher return from endless chain recruiting, (3) inflated pricing and (4) the lack of retail sales indicate that Usana operates as a chain letter or pyramid scheme, according to FTC guidelines, advisories and past prosecutions.

The initial investment in “business centers” and monthly quotas of purchases serve as the “consideration” to join and participate in the network. “Endless chain” rewards are offered to induce ongoing purchases and recruiting activity. Payments are directly tied to recruitment of new investors who sign up with the same proposition offered. This is the classic pattern of companies such as Equinox International and others that the FTC has prosecuted for unfair and deceptive trade practices.

They also reveal practices that the FTC warns consumers about on its official website. As an example, we refer to The Statement on Pyramid Schemes Delivered by the FTC’s General Counsel at the International Monetary Fund's Seminar On Current Legal Issues Affecting Central Banks at (http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm).

“There are two tell-tale signs that a product is simply being used to disguise a pyramid scheme: inventory loading and a lack of retail sales. Inventory loading occurs when a company's incentive program forces recruits to buy more products than they could ever sell, often at inflated prices. If this occurs throughout the company's distribution system, the people at the top of the pyramid reap substantial profits, even though little or no product moves to market. The people at the bottom make excessive payments for inventory that simply accumulates in their basements. A lack of retail sales is also a red flag that a pyramid exists. Many pyramid schemes will claim that their product is selling like hot cakes. However, on closer examination, the sales occur only between people inside the pyramid structure or to new recruits joining the structure, not to consumers out in the general public.”

We will appreciate a reply. Thank you for your consideration and your service.

Sincerely,
Robert L. FitzPatrick

cc: Pamela Jones, FTC Commissioner
Jon Leibowitz, FTC Commissioner
William E. Kovacic, FTC Commissioner
J. Thomas Rosch, FTC Commissioner
Lydia Parnes, Director, FTC Consumer Protection Div.
Lois Greisman, Director, FTC Div. of Marketing Practices
James Kohm, Director, FTC Div. of Enforcement


The Price of USANA Product:
 
Example 1:

USANA Pure Rest™
Costs USANA associates $14.95 and retails for $17.94. Each bottle Contains 56 tablets and each tablet contains 2 mg of melatonin. So USANA's melatonin product costs associates 13.3 cents per milligram. Most melatonin products retail for less than 3 cents per milligram! 
All of USANA's products are overpriced like the above example. However, when taking all of USANA's perks into consideration, USANA associates can potentially receive $20 in commission every 28 days from each associate in their downline simply from the required product purchases! Of course, what gets left out of their promotional material are the vast amounts of rules that prevent most all associates from making a dime. This is why is pays to recruit instead of retailing USANA's products.

Example 2:

USANA's absurdly overpriced CoQuinone® 30 versus comparable products
USANA's CoQuinone® 30 product is quite popular among its distributors. Do their distributors know just how much they are paying for their CoQ-10 product? I thought I would compare USANA's product with other companies. USANA's CoQuinone® 30 has 56 tablets, each contains 30 mg of CoQ-10 and 12.5 mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid. USANA Charges its distributors $37.95 for one bottle.

What I did is find other companies who sell both CoQ-10 and Alpha Lipoic Acid. I calculated the cost per mg per tablet for both products. Then I recalculate the cost to make an equivalent product as USANA's (56 pills each with 30 mg of CoQ-10 & 12.5 mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid). The resulting cost is astonishing! 
GNC, Natrol, Source Naturals, and Nature's Bounty all fall under $10 for an equivalent product to USANA's. The graph below says it all. I recommend sharing the PDF document in the link below as it contains all the calculations so there is no refuting the numbers. Again, USANA overcharges its distributors in order to fund its pyramid scheme. Contact your state's attorney general's office if you are or have been a victim of USANA's business opportunity scam.

How about USANA's price in Malaysia? Let's see...











Bahagian ni yang aku nak korang faham - dan aku tulis dalam bahasa ibunda, just in case.

Compensation Plan - USANA

Mendaftar dan jadi Distributor USANA
Distributor USANA adalah seorang yang menjual produk USANA dan merekrut distributor lain sebagai downline, yang akan buat kerja yang sama jugak. Downline cari downline cari downline cari downline... sampai kiamat - kata orang USANA la. And kiamat tu is just around the corner. Untuk menjadi distributor USANA, seseorang kena berdaftar dan beli satu distributor kit berharga RM99. Ini memberikan seseorang itu keahlian untuk buat skim piramid USANA... uik! Untuk jadi sorang distributor USANA. Sori, cirit-birit lak. Tak sengaja bang.

The Business Center Model
Asas kepada perniagaan MLM USANA ni adalah "business center". Takde ofis pun, hanya satu "istilah" (atau kelentongan, kata Aidid Mu'addib) yang berkait dengan 2 business center derivative, iaitu downline si bahalol yang join USANA tu, dan beberapa orang "preferred customers" yang dia ada (pelanggan yang telan produk USANA secara berkala, yang jugak dikira sebagai di bawah downline tersebut). Organisasi ni berbentuk sistem binari (macam Score A tu ha), di mana ada kaki kiri dan kaki kanan. Komisen berkait dengan business center, bergantung kepada jualan keseluruhan (GSV - group sales volume) yang dikira untuk setiap minggu. Setiap business center mesti ada satu upline di atasnya, takde dia wujud terkontang-kanting sengsorang. Maknanya, setiap business center ada upline kat atas sampai la ke puncak piramid USANA.

Figure 1: USANA Distributor Organization
 
Activation
Setiap distributor yang berdaftar akan memulakan dan mengaktivasi satu business center dengan cara mencapai jualan peribadi (PSV - personal sales volume) sebanyak 150 points, dan seterusnya mencapai 100 points PSV setiap 4 minggu. Ini bermakna ahli itu perlu membeli produk USANA sebanyak point tu... duit dah siap masuk dalam poket CEO USANA. USANA pakai point yang nilainya lebih-kurang sama dengan 1 USD - sebab banyak negara, banyak matawang, jadi kena la ada point bagai. Syarat 100 point dalam 4 minggu tu penting beb. Kalau 99 point, ko tak kan dapat apa-apa, dan USANA bolot semua. Best!

3 Business Centers
Satu cara alternatif adalah dengan memulakan 3 business centers, dengan pencapaian 450 points dalam 6 minggu pertama, diikuti dengan order sekurang-kurangnya 200 points setiap 4 minggu. Dia orang kat USANA saja sesuka kasi mamat dan minah low IQ yang tamak-haloba kompius - senang sket nak dikelentong. 200 points tu cukup untuk kasi beberapa business centers yang ada jadi aktif, termasuk business centers yang re-entry... wadefak. Untuk kasi keuntungan maksimum, 5000 points perlu dicapai di kedua-dua kaki (at least), di mana jika ahli berjaya melakukannya, dia boleh masukkan satu lagi business center (re-entry) di mana sahaja di dalam rangkaian downline nya. USANA dapat duit lagik, what else is new? Only the distributor's IQ is unchanged.

Komisen
USANA dengan murah hati macam Mother Teresa akan kasi komisen pada distributor dalam increments 1000 points GSV untuk setiap kaki, dan jugak untuk jualan $500 yang pertama. Komisen ini adalah 20% daripada GSV yang paling sedikit di antara 2 kaki, sampai maksimum $1000. GSV yang lebih tu akan terkumpul setiap minggu, dan akan dicampurkan dengan GSV untuk minggu yang berikutnya untuk kaki tersebut, sampai maksimum 5000 points. Kalau lebih jugak, USANA akan telan dengan rela hati, jadi jangan buat keje lagha, mahu kasi lebe-lebe gitu.

Figure 2: Commissions
  
 USANA tidak kasi komisen bila benda ni berlaku:

  1. Business center yang tak aktif - Takde komisen dapat dicapai atau terkumpul jika business center tu tak aktif. Business center jugak akan kehilangan semua komisen yang tak berbayar jika ia jadi tak aktif. Duit free untuk USANA. Best!
  2. Jualan yang tak seimbang - Perbezaan antara GSV di antara kedua kaki adalah komisen yang tertangguh, tetapi kalau GSV tetap tidak seimbang, komisen tu kira lesap la beb... bukan lesap. USANA simpan untuk kasi CEO.
  3. Bila jualan melebihi 5000 points - jika kedua-dua kaki dapat menghasilkan jualan melebihi 5000 points, apa-apa points yang terlebih tu dikira sebagai sedekah distributor kepada syarikat alkafirun mormon USANA - dan ianya tak boleh dimasukkan sebagai zakat harta. Kat akhirat nanti resit zakat sebegini tak laku. Jadi jangan buat kerja lagha. Komisen tertangguh juga tidak boleh melebihi 5000 points, di mana apa yang lebih, USANA telan.
  4. Jualan yang di buat di antara "increments" - Komisen di bayar pada GSV yang naik secara increment 1000 points. Maksudnya, komisen dibayar pada 1000 points, 2000 points, 3000 points... tapi kalau jualan si kuli-batak hanya sampai kat 2999 points sahaja untuk bulan tu, USANA kasi komisen sampai 2000 points sahaja - yang lebih tu kira duit free untuk USANA (ini daripada apa yang aku tengok dalam manual USANA, dia orang suka cakap berbelit gitu - kena tanya distributor USANA yang dah kena kencing, betul tak benda ni).
Masalah Utama Compensation Plan USANA
 
Mengutamakan Struktur Piramid Lebih Daripada Jualan
Handbook USANA cakap sket sangat pasal jualan produk keramatnya, tapi blabber on and on and on pasal macamana seseorang distributor boleh jalankan business center nya dengan jaya, dan akhirnya akan kaya macam millionaire taik kucen. Hampir semua maklumat yang ada tak sudah-sudah cakap pasal macamana nak rekrut distributor, dan bagaimana kadar keuntungan akan meningkat bagai nak rak, kalau dapat manyak-manyak distributor kat downline masing-masing... itu aje la modalnya. Kat situ orang dah tahu struktur piramid bzns ni - kecuali untuk sapa-sapa yang dungu tahap cipan. Silap-silap cipan kat Zoo Negara tu lagi tinggi IQ daripada sapa-sapa yang join USANA (sebab cipan tu definitely tak join kejadah USANA ni).

Ketepuan Pasaran
Mengikut kata handbook USANA, "there is truly no limit to the number of business centers you can have in your organization! You are limited only by your ability and desire to build financial security for yourself and your family." Wadefak? Bahalol ke apa? Syarikat jual billion dollar punya bzns, tapi tak kan cakap benda merapu macam ni? Mana-mana sistem piramid, sama ada binari seperti USANA ni, atau apa-apa sistem MLM yang ada syarat penajaan, akan pasti mencapai peringkat ketepuan dengan cepat disebabkan faktor perkembangan jumlah distributor secara eksponensial. Dalam manual USANA ada kasi contoh 8 levels distributor, yang secara implikasinya, USANA fikir 8 level tu kiranya "reasonable" untuk seseorang ahli. Tapi, 8 levels memerlukan 255 ahli, jika seseorang ahli nak balancekan kedua-dua belah kaki kiri dan kanan. Tapi level ke 8 yang seramai 128 orang tu, tak kan dapat apa-apa komisen, selagi dia orang sendiri tak dapat downline masing-masing. Dan distributor level ke 8 juga berhak untuk dapat keuntungan seperti yang dijanjikan oleh USANA, kalau tak, USANA memang laknat-keparat haram-jadah punya syarikat kelentong la jadinya kan? Janji berdegar-degar, rupanya mengencing mala'un tak sekolah macam lahabau.

Janji USANA adalah untuk kasi seseorang distributor kaya-raya, tapi bahalol yang join level ke-8, perlukan 8 level ke-bawah untuk dapat keuntungan yang sama macam level 1. Tapi level ke-16 camane pulak? Kalau USANA berkembang pesat, dan membesar sebagai johan sampai level ke-32, semua 6 billion manusia kat dunia ni kena join syarikat MLM ni - tapi itu pun masih tak cukup lagik. Still... 4.2 billion orang yang terakhir tak dapat apa-apa jugak, kecuali kalau kita import 8.6 billion rakyat alien daripada planet Coruscant untuk jadi downline manusia kat bumi. Lepas tu, Chancellor Palpatine akan hantar Death Star kasi musnahkan bumi, sebab alien rakyat Coruscant tu semua tak dapat cari downline, dan akhirnya kerugian jugak. My point is - plan pemasaran sistem binari USANA (macam plan binari syarikat MLM bangsat yang lain-lain, seperti Score A, MonaVie, etc.) adalah skim piramid 1 cari 2 aje dik oi! Takde yang logik pada plan pemasaran sebegini. Tak payah level 32, di mana sahaja level distributor sudah mencapai peringkat ketepuan, >50% distributor tu akan kerugian, sedangkan USANA dah ambik duit dia orang siap-siap, masa dia orang berdaftar sebagai distributor. Win for USANA, loss for bahalol yang dungu.

 
OK... apa alasan semua syarikat MLM pasal benda ketepuan ni? Bak kata MsAwin (sakai Papua New Guinea) dan Razali (the English language scholar), itu semua teori matematik aje, dan tak pernah berlaku di alam nyata. Maknanya dalam alam nyata yang diduduki oleh dua ekor lembu sesat tu, sistem matematik kalkulus tak wujud, sebab dia orang tak nampak pun perkembangan jumlah ahli secara eksponensial berlaku. Dia orang tak nak nampak, jadi ia tak wujud la. Budak 2 ekor tu ada life yang cukup sempoi, nombor yang besar dan matematik kasi kepala lututnya migraine. Kalau aku tak nampak - takde berlaku le tuuuu.

And another thing, ketepuan selalunya tidak berlaku sampai peringkat 6 billion manusia. Ianya bukan isu global, tapi lebih kepada isu ketepuan sesuatu lokaliti. Faham tak? Aku kasi contoh. Katalah, ada sorang mamat kat pekan Pokok Sena dapat hidayah sesat dan berdaftar sebagai distributor USANA - sekarang untuk kasi perniagaan jual pil dan makanan keramat USANA berkembang, dia kena cari downline seramai mungkin, well at least kena isi kaki kiri dan kaki kanan. Dan downline dia jugak kena cari downline dia orang, dan proses pencarian downline akan berterusan sampai infiniti. Tapi, apa hal infiniti pulak? Pekan Pokok Sena di Kedah (tempat tumpah darah menses ku, bak kata si Salmah) ada anggaran dalam 50,000 orang penduduk sahaja, dan itu termasuk semua penduduk yang ada, daripada pangkat moyang sampai la peringkat cicit. Kalau kita anggap setiap moyang sampai cicit jadi distributor USANA, termasuklah si Salmah, ketepuan akan berlaku pada level ke-14 hingga 15. Takde nya Salmah nak cari downline kat San Francisco atau Helsinki deerr... dia dah stuck kat Pokok Sena sahaja, sebab orang kat Pokok Sena tu aje yang dia tahu. Lebih 50% daripada distributor USANA akan kerugian, tak kesah level mana ia akan tepu... level 5 pun sama, level 27 pun sama - lebih 50% orang ahli akan kerugian tanpa untung satu sen pun.

Itulah dia plan pemasaran USANA - dia orang tak kesah lebih daripada 50% distributor akan PASTI kerugian, sebab kerugian ahli itu tetap akan menguntungkannya - best kan buat syarikat MLM ni? Itu yang chayanunalip sebok buat Avail Beauty, Score A, Asia Herbal Tech, Power Root dan semua MLM yang aku dah mention kat dalam blog aku ni. Sama jugak ciptaan omputeh alkafirun Amerika dengan syarikat MonaVie, Amway, Herbalife, bla bla bla... cuma, terlalu ramai manusia yang tak boleh faham sepatah-haram matematik dalam dunia ni, termasuklah ahli-ahli politik yang memegang kuasa (kecuali kalau korang ambik iktibar daripada - Saudi Arabia, China, Singapore). Apa yang susah nak fahamnya ntah? What the fffuuu...

Komisen
OK, problem dengan ketepuan pasaran di atas, walau pun macam lahanat, sebenarnya kurang berat sket daripada problem dengan pemberian komisen USANA. Ini lagi cibai. Gambar di bawah menunjukkan senario yang paling ringkas di mana seorang distributor yang ada rangkaian kaki kiri dan kanan yang seimbang, dan setiap distributor dapat pulak mencapai jumlah PSV minima yang diperlukan untuk mengekalkan sesebuah business center aktif. Setiap level menunjukkan jumlah sales keseluruhan yang dicapai oleh oleh semua peringkat yang dibawah seseorang distributor (kumulatif), serta dengan jumlah komisen yang dibayar kepada setiap ahli di bawah organisasi tersebut. Dalam kes ini, kalau ada 12 level distributor, ianya akan menyebabkan USANA terpaksa membayar komisen lebih daripada jumlah keseluruhan pendapatan syarikat. Kalau dalam contoh yang diberi dalam handbook USANA, 8 level yang digambarkan itu akan menyebabkan lebih daripada 50% pendapatan syarikat diperuntukkan kepada komisen. Ada yang tak kena neh...
 Kalau kita campurkan jumlah pendapatan melalui "preferred customers" pun tak dapat membantu jugak. Dalam rajah 4 di bawah, ianya sama dengan rajah di atas, cuma setiap distributor ada 2 preferred customer setiap sorang, untuk setiap belah kaki. Setiap preferred customer mencapai 100 points dalam jumlah jualan. Jumlah komisen kekal melebihi jumlah jualan dalam 12 level.


Figure 4: Sales vs. Commissions, Case 2
   
Untuk situasi ni jadi logikal kepada USANA (maksudnya, ia dapat untung), ianya memerlukan supaya rangkaian downline tidak sekata, di mana kaki kiri dan kanan tu tak seimbang, jadi mana-mana bahalol distributor yang takde "pairing" akan kehilangan komisen, dan dapat la USANA dapat songlap duit mala'un tu semua. Ianya menguntungkan USANA, tapi apekejdahnya punya business sebegini kalau syarikat mengharapkan keuntungan perniagaan daripada kerugian distributor? Gila ke apa? Dah tu, promosi USANA yang gah ya amat tu yang kata, USANA nak kasi "financial security" kepada ahli yang nak join USANA. Financial security what the fuck nye dey?

Figure 5: Sales vs. Commissions, Case 3 

Jadi, al-kesahnya... ada 2 senario di sini. Sama ada USANA adalah syarikat berasaskan badut sarkas dan tidak viable langsung, atau sebenarnya distributor USANA tu yang tak akan dapat pendapatan yang longkah seperti yang diwar-warkan oleh syarikat MLM ni. Kepentingan kewangan (financial interest) distributor-distributor tersebut sebenarnya adalah BERTENTANGAN dengan kepentingan kewangan USANA. Ini yang paling tepat, sebab itu USANA meletakkan syarat "tree-balancing" tu - kedua-dua kaki kiri dan kanan mesti seimbang - kalau tak - komisen tarak. Dan kalau la pulak semua distributor USANA dapat balance kaki dia orang dengan seimbang di setiap level - abis lingkup terus USANA. Pembayaran komisen akan jadi lebih banyak daripada keseluruhan pendapatan syarikat, di mana-mana level.

Korang fikir balik, pehal USANA perlukan syarat balancing tadi tu? Sedangkan si distributor dah bersungguh-sungguh menjajap kejadah produknya, tapi disebabkan downline nya tak balance, dia tak dapat satu sen komisen pun daripada kaki dia yang tak balance (sounded so stupid, btw) - that's screwed-up, man! Apakah muslihat USANA? Apa lagik? Dia mahu kasi kurangkan pembayaran komisen kepada distributor supaya keuntungan syarikat mencadak naik, dan CEO boleh beli yacht 200 kaki panjangnya, serta boleh jugak beli 4 orang Penthouse Pets, COD... kasi romen sampai tak hengat dunia - 4 awekz serentak. Uik! Mana aku melalut neh? Anyway... nak balancing tu, pihak USANA cakap ianya senang aje nak buat, tapi realitinya, ia bergantung kepada GSV, dan sesetengah distributor takde kawalan langsung terhadap berapa banyak GSV yang dicapai oleh distributor di bawah downline nya. Dan si downline bawah downline bawah downline tu semua ada kesah ke apa yang berlaku dan berapa pulak pendapatan yang dijana daripada rangkaian downline orang lain? Advantage to USANA - and screw all you distributors!


INTISARI NETWORK MARKETING

Multilevel Marketing (MLM) atau nama timangan lainnya Network Marketing (istilah lain untuk orang yang dungu, yang senang kena kelentong) adalah tidak lebih daripada SKIM PIRAMID yang ntah kenapa boleh diluluskan undang-undang kat Malaysia ni. Kalau kat USA, kita tahu bahawa kerajaan Amerika tu sendiri memang mahukan syarikat USANA, Herbalife, Amway, MonaVie dan berbagai syarikat lain berkembang pesat, sebab bila syarikat tersebut masuk negara lain, secara tak langsung, keuntungan syarikat akan memindahkan dana daripada keuntungan yang dihisap macam lintah daripada negara-negara tu semua, masuk ke negara Amerika. Itu sebab Amerika teruskan MLM dalam pelbagai bentuk bermaharaja-lela sejak tahun 60-an lagik. Itu salah satu sebab negara Amerika negara terkaya di dunia. Kalau dapat rakyat beratus negara, yang dungu dan senang kena kelentong (sebijik macam kat Malaysia neh) - memang seronok orang Amerika kaut keuntungan.
 
Oh, berbalik kepada Malaysia, apekejadahnya woi? Takde ke pakar ekonomi yang jadi penasihat kat mana-mana ahli politik tu semua? It's like, we're all still in the dark ages concerning all these MLM thingy. Tak kan la terima bulat-bulat bahawa kalau syarikat seperti Herbalife, dan seperti USANA ni, sebab ianya ada jual produk kesihatan (yang tak kasi sihat tubuh-badan manusia pun), jadi ianya bukan skim piramid. IT IS A PYRAMID-SCHEME straight-up fucking 'ell! The compensation plan that USANA provided show a clear-cut pyramid-scheme - what's the confusion here? Plan pemasaran USANA memang sama aje dengan skim piramid, cuma dia jual produk, tapi ianya tetap akan menghadapi masalah ketepuan pasaran, dan promosi "financial security" USANA hanyalah kelentongan buta-buta di siang hari untuk lembu yang makan rumput di tengah padang yang tandus.
 
Lepas tu, syarikat-syarikat seumpama USANA ini, mesti ada syarat yang sentiasa menguntungkannya, dan merugikan distributor bulat-bulat. Distributor tu semua MESTI bayar sejumlah wang kepada USANA untuk continue to play the game, dan maintain minimum purchase setiap bulan, dengan harapan yang berkobar-kobar akan dapat pulangan yang mencukupi untuk cover modal dia orang, dan berharap komisen yang akan didapati tu akan jadi durian runtuh kepadanya. Tapi, boleh sustain ke tak? Kalau collapse? Mana ada syarikat macam USANA akan boleh collapse... alasan yang biasa kita dengar. Tell that to Amway dol.
 
Bukan itu sahaja. Taktik "deferred commission" yang menjadi salah satu MO syarikat USANA adalah satu cara untuk mengekalkan pengikut ajaran songsang perniagaan kejadah ni untuk terus kekal buat kerja skim piramid made in USA sebegini. Kalau stop rugi. Dan kalau takde komisen yang tertangguh tu, takde pulak mala'un distributor yang tamak haloba tu akan tunggu deerr... Lagi pulak, seperti syarikat "Network Marketing" yang lain jugak, USANA ada side-business dalam meningkatkan keuntungan perniagaan MLM nya dengan arahan pembelian video/CD/DVD motivasi yang cikai, menganjurkan seminar kasi pengikut bertempik-sorak macam monkey yang horny awekz tarak, kasi gathering hujung minggu sana-sini, kasi gathering 2 minggu sekali kat HQ kat PJ - yang mana semua ni, distributor kena bayar. Bahalol nak mampos distributor nya pun.
 
Ada beberapa ciri syarikat MLM yang boleh kasi kita tahu ianya ada problem:
1. Syarikat terlalu kyusuk mengesahkan plan pemasaran lebih daripada jualan produk.
2. Struktur syarikat tidak menunjukkan ianya "beneficial" pada ahli.
3. Plan pemasaran terlalu rumit dan sukar difahami, tanpa ada sebab yang munasabah.
4. Syarikat mempunya terlalu banyak level "independent distributors".
5. Syarikat buat kempen tak sudah-sudah yang mengatakan ianya bukan scam skim piramid.
 
USANA ada ciri-ciri tu semua, and then some more. Tapi, yang paling teruk pasal USANA ni, in my not so humbled opinion, syarikat tu datang daripada Mormon country, yang sentiasa sebok saban hari mahu export sistem perniagaan mungkar alkafirun ni ke merata cerok dunia (termasuklah Malaysia), supaya dana rakyat negara-negara tersebut dapat dipindahkan secara rela oleh mereka-mereka yang dungu tahap I-dunno-what ke dalam peti duit USANA kat Utah - dengan cara mengambil kesempatan ke atas "enthusiam", kerajinan dan cita-cita yang menggunung tinggi yang dipunyai oleh mereka-mereka yang tak sekolah tu semua. Si pathetic distributor bermimpi siang-hari siang-malam nak jadi kaya-raya macam 3-star Diamond Director, tetapi syarikat USANA sendiri sebenarnya dalam diam, hanya menjanjikan impian yang mereka takde hasrat nak bagi pun. What a shame.
 
Shame on USANA for being a lousy parasitic pyramid-scheme. Shame some more on those deluded clueless distributors who are blinded by greed and can't really see their way home. And most shameful is the "I washed my hands" attitude of the powers that be. I've done my job. Take it or leave it. It's past 5, I think I'll just head home... I'm getting hungry again.
 
 
 

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Da One & Only said...

1st!!!....???

id said...

2nd!! woot woott! :D

musbiaggi said...

cakkk

stormz said...

aidid,

1 of my friend ade join usana ni n he claimed ade certain ubat2 kat hospital tu dr Usana.

btul ke?

azwan said...

Interesting..
Will give my comments soon.
TQ Bro.

hyelbaine said...

Mak oi, panjangnyer. It's going to be quite a read. Will share views (if anyone bothers :P) once I complete my presentation slides for tomorrow.

Suffering from presentation block -_-"

Bomoh Hujan said...

Usana whoaaaahhh...mesti ada si bongok akan pertahankan usana nanti..tunggu......

farid said...

kompom ader nyer bomoh... yg akan cuba masuk lawan fakta2 kat sini. aku nak poskan artikel ni dalam yahoogroup diorg jap lagi. mesti menariknyer lah.... tak sabar nak tunggu respon

Latifah said...

as usual, nak dapatkan update komen-komen hangat, kenalah komen dulu kan.

~Bro. Aidid, tahniah dan syabas!~

Abu Huzaifah said...

top ten? yeah...for the first time...kalo ade troll..mungkin die x bce habis...

osip said...

gile panjang..gile detail..huh huh..

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id said...

bro i agree with stormz, what about the absurd 'claims'... yang haritu sy komen kat entry 'hantu susu' tu?
memang tipu la kan?

dahla sistem point2 depa cam bodo gile, damn these psychos!

id said...

pakcik li dah mai dah...pakcik, pegila siap2 utk solat maghrib~semoga terbuka pintu hati utk berubah...insaflah sebelum terlambat ^.^

Rose said...

Never heard of USANA, should be an interesting read. TQ.

matbong said...

Hahahaha...
Pak Li sentiasa menjadi penunggu blog Aidid

Max_Underwood said...

Please investigate QUESTNET. RM2450/- for 2 pcs of good for nothing glass. Magic katanya. Banyak org kg dah start terkena.

AZHAR said...

Da abis baca, panjang juga ko tulis
nak semayang plak ni

ChipCoklat said...

Yooohoooo....At last...entri yg di tunggu2...USANA...HUH..diorg ni mmg...diorg kate yg suppliment diorg ni bagus..dan ubat kat hospital tu x bagus..ade ke patut MLMer USANA ni cakap..ubat paracetamol yg kita makan tu bleh tinggal dalam perut kita ni sampai 5 tahun...What the fish?..dan lepas tu makan suppliment diorg ni untuk cuci balik perut tu..kasi buang suma ubat2 yg ade chemical tu..lps tu bleh plak claim yg supplement diorg ni ade masuk dalam buku perubatan and salah satu pilihan yg terbaik untuk digunakan..Hahaha...kini sudah jelas..siap ko MLMers USANA...meh aku kasi entri ni kat diorg..

Rose said...

Pergi wiki USANA pun, first ayat dah cakap it's a multilevel marketing company. Wiki info dia pun menarik, banyak references.

Sam Posmen said...

aiseh!letih nak mengkhatam baca.

ChipCoklat: paracetamol tu boleh tahan 5 jam je kot dalam perut. yang 5 tahun tu supplement USANA. sebab tu sesiapa yang makan jadi bengap. abis semua pakat buat MLM.

hye Pak Li :)

nawzahs, MB BCh said...

aku dah malas dah nak baca suma ni.pasal sume sama je.dapat keuntungan bukan dari hasil akad jual beli tu sendiri,tapi dari MENIPU orang lain.senang cakap,HARAM.

tapi at least usaha u aidid memang excellent.even company besaq manapun u buleh kantoikan.

Laila said...

matbong, biarlah Angkel Li nak enterprem kat blog ni pon, dah nak tunggu kat blog dia pon takder visitors, terkulat2 sorang diri.

*sambong baca *

Rose said...

For me, lagi bertambah menarik bila baca ni
During 2007, USANA faced repeated controversy as several of its executives were discovered to have made false statements regarding their qualifications.[13] These included Denis Waitley, a member of the board of directors,[14] Ladd McNamara, who quit the company's medical advisory board after it was discovered his license to practice medicine had been revoked,[15][16][17] the Vice President of Research and Development, Timothy Wood, who was found to have doctorate in forestry, as opposed to biology as he had claimed,[18] and the Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Gilbert Fuller, who had continued to use the title of CPA,[19] though his license had lapsed.[18][20]

Tu dari wiki, yang bernombor2 tu references, kalau sapa2 nak check. Wah, orang PhD in Forestry pun boleh jadi VP research and development buat produk kesihatan...mantap!
Patutler salesman2 dia pun boleh bagi advice kesihatan...
power tu...

cek chun said...

nampaknya pok li dan posmen pat suka sungguh menebeng sini.
dah mula rasa glamer ke weh.

mode: sambung baca semula

Dexter said...

Biar panas bontot malaun2 USANA ni!

azwan said...

HhahahaAHAHAHAHAHahahhahaha!

Zali kordi, cukupla ko promote cendawan bahlol ko tu. stim la, apekebenda laa bingai ko ni. Ko patut kow team dgn Dr Rozmey, sbb rambut dia dah already mcm cendawan kordi ko. ko takde modal nak backing USANA ke bai...

id said...

Hmm, can anyone (bro aidid/azwan/sis rose or others) pls give your thoughts/comments on these claims(copied from the blog that sells USANA products):

Mengapa USANA adalah produk kesihatan terbaik dunia???
Ada bukti ke bahawa USANA adalah yang terbaik???

Sudah tentu ada bukti yang kukuh. Kami berani menyatakan bahawa produk Usana adalah produk kesihatan terbaik dan nombor 1 di dunia. Ia tidak mengandungi dadah seperti dalam kebanyakan ubat mahupun steroid yang biasanya terdapat dalam ubatan herba.


1. USANA diasaskan oleh Dr. Myron Wentz pada tahun 1992. Beliau adalah pakar dalam mikrobiologi dan imunologi. Beliau berjaya menternak sel manusia di luar badan manusia selama 30 tahun dengan memberikan keperluan yang secukupnya. Jasa beliau kepada dunia kesihatan ialah beliau adalah orang yang mencipta alat pam penyukat tekanan darah yang dignakan oleh doktor seluruh dunia. Beliau juga adalah pencipta vaksin Rubella yang diberikan kepada semua pelajar perempuan tingkatan 3 di negara kita dan beliau juga adalah pencipta alat untuk Blood Test yang digunakan sekarang. Dengan jasa beliau, beliau dianugerahkan Albert Enstein Award iaitu anugerah termasyhur di dunia dalam bidang Sains.

2.Produk Usana mendapat skor tertinggi iaitu 96.1% dalam buku Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements yang ditulis oleh seorang doktor pakar,Dr. Lyle McWilliam. Beliau mengkaji 500 supplement di dunia dan mengkelaskan kepada setiap zat yang diperlukanoleh tubuh badan manusia. Dan beliau mendapati produk USANA mengandungi zat yang lengkap untuk seorang manusia hidup sihat. Buku ini telah diulang cetak sehingga edisi keempat. Jika buku ini tipu, sudah tentu syarikat lain sudah menyaman Dr. Lyle ini.


3.Semua produk USANA disenaraikan dalam buku Master Index of Medical Specialities (MIMS) yang menjadi rujukan semua doktor dan farmasi. Doktor akan merujuk buku ini untuk memilih penawar untuk pesakit-pesakitnya. Ini membuktikan produk USANA sangat berkualiti dan terbaik.

4.Produk USANA juga disenaraikan dalam buku rujukan bertajuk Physicians Desk Reference (PDR) yang mana turut menjadi rujukan para doktor di dunia. Buku ini kebanyakannay digunakan oleh para doktor di Eropah. Sekiranya semua doktor di dunia mengakui kehebatan produk USANA, sudah tentulah produ ini adalah terbaik

id said...

5.Setelah Usana masuk ke Malaysia pada tahun 2007, Produk Usana terus memegang takhta sebagai Supplemen Terbaik oleh Anugerah Brand Laurette sehingga kini selama 4 tahun berturut-turut

6.Yang Dipertuan Agong kita, Tuanku Mizan dan keluarga baginda turut mengamalkan Usana dalam kehidupan baginda. Baginda dan keluarga telah mengamalkan produk Usana selama 5 tahun sehingga sekarang.

7.Atlit-atlit dunia juga mengamalkan produk Usana untuk kesihatan dan tenaga mereka ketika bersukan

8.Produk Usana digunakan oleh atlit di Majlis Sukan Negara (MSN). Doktor-doktor di Institut Jantung Negara (IJN). Tun Dr Mahathir turut amalkan Usana untuk kesihatan beliau

9.Usana telah berada di 15 buah negara di seluruh dunia dan Malaysia adalah negara ke-14 Usana. Usana akan melebarkan sayap ke 30 buah negara lagi.

10.Usana juga muncul di televisyen dan akhbar sama ada tempatan atau luar negara.

Adakah harga ini MAHAL?? Berapa kali mahal harga ini berbanding bil hospital swasta?? Adakah mahal dibandingkan nilai kesihatan tubuh badan anda??

Untuk pengetahuan anda, kebanyakan hospital swasta menggunakan supplemen ini sebagai ubat kepada pesakit mereka. Sebab itu mereka mengenakan bil yang tinggi. Anda bertuah kerana anda tahu produk ini melalui saya sebagai pengedar sah produk USANA, bukan melalui hospital yang mana dijual dengan harga sekali ganda daripada harga yang saya letakkan.

Jika Yang Dipertuan Agong menggunakan supplemen ini untuk kesihatan baginda, apatah lagi kita sebagai rakyat baginda. Kita mampu amalkan supplemen setaraf
Yang Dipertuan Agong kita makan..

Adakah anda masih ragu-ragu?? Sekali lagi saya sarankan anda lihat dan baca semula semua pencapaian dan testimoni yang USANA dapat. Tiada syarikat suplemen lain yang mampu menandingi USANA. Terbaik, Halal, Berkualiti dan Berkesan.

Yeah right.

Humanklone said...

hahahha, as usual bro.. teknik penerangan yang menakjubkan mengalahkan teknik longkang yang di popularkan oleh takumi fujiwara (initial d)..:P

biar panas bontot mlmers diluar sana..teruskan usaha anda enche aidid..saya sokong 100%..kepada pakcik kordi, udah2 le tu.. semakin lama kebodohan anda semakin jelas..

azwan said...

Sudah tentu ada bukti yang kukuh. Kami berani menyatakan bahawa produk Usana adalah produk kesihatan terbaik dan nombor 1 di dunia. Ia tidak mengandungi dadah seperti dalam kebanyakan ubat mahupun steroid yang biasanya terdapat dalam ubatan herba.
DADAH ADALAH STATEMENT GENERAL. PERBANDINGAN YG PADA SAYA, TOLOL.

1. USANA diasaskan oleh Dr. Myron Wentz pada tahun 1992. Beliau adalah pakar dalam mikrobiologi dan imunologi. Beliau berjaya menternak sel manusia di luar badan manusia selama 30 tahun dengan memberikan keperluan yang secukupnya. Jasa beliau kepada dunia kesihatan ialah beliau adalah orang yang mencipta alat pam penyukat tekanan darah yang dignakan oleh doktor seluruh dunia. Beliau juga adalah pencipta vaksin Rubella yang diberikan kepada semua pelajar perempuan tingkatan 3 di negara kita dan beliau juga adalah pencipta alat untuk Blood Test yang digunakan sekarang. Dengan jasa beliau, beliau dianugerahkan Albert Enstein Award iaitu anugerah termasyhur di dunia dalam bidang Sains.
I KNOW ABOUT THIS. I BELIEVE IT IS PARTIALLY RIGHT AS THEY NEED TO BUILD UP THEIR REPUTATION STARTING FROM THE FOUNDER. IT IS MORE ABOUT BRANDING. HERBALIFE ARE USING THE SAME STRATEGY. MOST OF THE COSMETIC COMPANY ARE USING THE SAME STRATEGY TOO.

2.Produk Usana mendapat skor tertinggi iaitu 96.1% dalam buku Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements yang ditulis oleh seorang doktor pakar,Dr. Lyle McWilliam. Beliau mengkaji 500 supplement di dunia dan mengkelaskan kepada setiap zat yang diperlukanoleh tubuh badan manusia. Dan beliau mendapati produk USANA mengandungi zat yang lengkap untuk seorang manusia hidup sihat. Buku ini telah diulang cetak sehingga edisi keempat. Jika buku ini tipu, sudah tentu syarikat lain sudah menyaman Dr. Lyle ini.
ANOTHER BRANDING STRATEGY.

3.Semua produk USANA disenaraikan dalam buku Master Index of Medical Specialities (MIMS) yang menjadi rujukan semua doktor dan farmasi. Doktor akan merujuk buku ini untuk memilih penawar untuk pesakit-pesakitnya. Ini membuktikan produk USANA sangat berkualiti dan terbaik.
I AGREE ITS IN MIMS. UNLIKE HERBALIFE, ITS VERY TOUGH FOR ME TO FIND THE WEAKNESS OF USANA'S PRODUCT. THE MAIN PROBLEM IS MORE OF THE SYSTEM.

4.Produk USANA juga disenaraikan dalam buku rujukan bertajuk Physicians Desk Reference (PDR) yang mana turut menjadi rujukan para doktor di dunia. Buku ini kebanyakannay digunakan oleh para doktor di Eropah. Sekiranya semua doktor di dunia mengakui kehebatan produk USANA, sudah tentulah produ ini adalah terbaik.
JUST LIKE MIMS, IT WILL CARRY MORE WEIGHT.

azwan said...

5.Setelah Usana masuk ke Malaysia pada tahun 2007, Produk Usana terus memegang takhta sebagai Supplemen Terbaik oleh Anugerah Brand Laurette sehingga kini selama 4 tahun berturut-turut
BRAND LAURETTE, THE CEO, DATO' DR KK JOHAN IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE. ITS JUST ABOUT BRANDING, NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.

6.Yang Dipertuan Agong kita, Tuanku Mizan dan keluarga baginda turut mengamalkan Usana dalam kehidupan baginda. Baginda dan keluarga telah mengamalkan produk Usana selama 5 tahun sehingga sekarang.
AGONG KITA BUKAN RASULULLAH SAW.

7.Atlit-atlit dunia juga mengamalkan produk Usana untuk kesihatan dan tenaga mereka ketika bersukan
HERBALIFE PUN CLAIM YG SAMA. MESSI GUNA, LAGI GEMPAK SIOTTTT.

8.Produk Usana digunakan oleh atlit di Majlis Sukan Negara (MSN). Doktor-doktor di Institut Jantung Negara (IJN). Tun Dr Mahathir turut amalkan Usana untuk kesihatan beliau
BUKAN SEMUA GUNA. DR M GUNA, IT DOES NOT MATTER FOR ME.

9.Usana telah berada di 15 buah negara di seluruh dunia dan Malaysia adalah negara ke-14 Usana. Usana akan melebarkan sayap ke 30 buah negara lagi.
HERBALIFE LAGI POWER APE. IT DOES NOT DENY THE FUCKING MLM SYSTEM.

10.Usana juga muncul di televisyen dan akhbar sama ada tempatan atau luar negara.
SO WHAT?

Adakah harga ini MAHAL?? Berapa kali mahal harga ini berbanding bil hospital swasta?? Adakah mahal dibandingkan nilai kesihatan tubuh badan anda??
BANDING SUPPLEMENT DGN PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL SERVICE IS A TOTAL STUPIDITY.

Untuk pengetahuan anda, kebanyakan hospital swasta menggunakan supplemen ini sebagai ubat kepada pesakit mereka. Sebab itu mereka mengenakan bil yang tinggi. Anda bertuah kerana anda tahu produk ini melalui saya sebagai pengedar sah produk USANA, bukan melalui hospital yang mana dijual dengan harga sekali ganda daripada harga yang saya letakkan.
SEBAB USANA, BIL TINGGI? MANA IQ DEY. STUPID RETARD NAK MAMPOS.

Jika Yang Dipertuan Agong menggunakan supplemen ini untuk kesihatan baginda, apatah lagi kita sebagai rakyat baginda. Kita mampu amalkan supplemen setaraf
Yang Dipertuan Agong kita makan..
AGONG BUKAN RASULULLAH SAW.

Rose said...

Salam, baru sempat tengok about Albert Einstein Award.
Memang award yg berprestij tu, awarded by the Lewis and Rosa Strauss Memorial Fund, dan Ada few more awards bawah nama Einstein, tengok link nie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein_Award
Tak jumpa lagi nama mamat myron tu.

Jumpa lak news yg nie
http://www.allbusiness.com/services/business-services/4543840-1.html

It's about pakcik tu dapat AEA, tapi bukan dari Lewis and Rosa Strauss Memorial Fund, tapi dari Global Capital Associates. So, rasanya it's not the same award, nama je sama. Ala2 bagi title doc, prof, sir mickey mouse kot? Tak berani nak cakap...

Aidid Mu'addib said...

Percayalah dengan kualiti produk makanan kesihatan keluaran Aidid Mu'addib Health and Sciences Sdn Bhd, yang pasti berkhasiat dan dihasilkan dengan bahan bermutu tinggi yang diimport daripada Argentina, Sweden dan Botswana. Ianya digunakan dalam pemberian makanan yang seimbang untuk beberapa ekor kuda kepunyaaan DYMM Yang Di Pertuan Agung, dan juga dimakan saban hari oleh YB Ahli Parlimen Pokok Sena, Menteri di Jabatan Perdana Menteri dan beberapa athlit negara serta 7 orang daripada pemain bolasepak negara yang baru-baru ini memenangi piala Suzuki AFC.

Ianya diiktiraf produk kesihatan bermutu tinggi dan memenangi anugerah Produk Terbaik Laurel-Smithson untuk 2005, 2008, dan 2009. Hasil kajian selama 23 tahun oleh Dr. Aidid Mu'addib, seorang pakar mikrobiologi dan paleontology tersohor, telah menghasilkan formula khas yang dapat memastikan seseorang yang memakan produk Aidid Mu'addib H&S akan jadi sasa dan sentiasa sihat dan bertenaga macam kuda kat atas tadi. Barang jadi keras dan baeeek punyaaa... itu jangan cite laaaa.... what the 'ell?

>>Some people will just believe whatever crap other people fed into their mouth... so typical.

Scribblings and Doodlings said...

Name dropping tak habis habis. Dulu Zhulian supplement drink tu pun kata Tun M ambik tu gak.

Blood Seeker said...

USAHLAH masuk USANA.

Blood Seeker said...

@id

Wait, what??? Nama Yg Dipertuan Agong ko main2 ntuk promo USANA nih? Kena tulah baru tau

azwan said...

hAHAHAHhahahaAHAHHAHA..

Take this....kalau Tuan Guru Nik Aziz amik camne? takde plak org terlopong ek. Kui kui kui...testi..testi...

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id said...

@ bro azwan, thanks for your feedback,sgt straight to the point :D

@ bro aidid, thanks for ur cynical but entertaining comment ^.^

@blooood seeker, haih, bukan sy yg memainla bro, like i mentioned before, i just copied the whole article from an USANA distributor/seller, saya anti mlm la. :P

azwan said...

Ko bukak kedai runcit je la zali kordi oi. Long term bukak hypermarket. dari jual produk claim macam shial, dari mengemis cari downline.

You tell me which MLM company yg 100% depends on selling their products, NOT depends on recruiting new downline? Tell me now...

Don't forget last time you failed to give me the clinical evidence.

http://aniesandyou.blogspot.com said...

pok cik li musti x tenang idup kalu x menconteng komen kt blog aidid.. kalu cam ni bro aidid bleh create contest or giveaway utk regular follower.. sure pok cik li suke n akn tag kt kengkawan dia utk join blog ni!!


USANA ke USINI ke... x kemana pon menatang ni. tgk je la nnt

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Rose said...

Seriously dok obsess dengan dr Myron Wentz nie.
Memula Albert Einstein Award yg meragukan.
Now, dok korek web of science about his work in rubella pun takde...ke dia tukar nama? Ni dah sampai tahun 1968, review progress in rubella vaccine development, tak nampak batang hidung Wentz nie...
Logically, kalau dah buat macam2 dalam field of vaccination ni, mesti ada paper...pastu heran, kalau dah hebat buat vaccine, camne terjebak buat produk pulak? Coz usually scientist yg dah establish, they would prefer to work in their area of expertise...

azwan said...

Tu semua tak mengejutkan Rose. Lagi byk ko dig, lagi byk discovery nanti. Aku tak rajin mcm ko la...

Tp aku dah muak dgn zali kordi ni. dia nak start dahh..lupe minum jus kot tadi.

Aidid Mu'addib said...

Other person... yes, maybe...
But when it comes to the English scholar,
I don't have the mood to dignify his rants
with any form of reply... it has been a waste
of my fucking time, all this while.
There... is that a good answer dol?
Talak baca itu atikel sana atas ka apek?

azwan said...

HahahahHAAHHAHAHahahahahhaha!!!!

Punyela dah lame ko tulis Aidid, skali tibe2 dia boleh tanye balik bisnes MLM tu sebenarnye ape bang?

HahahahahAHAHAHHAHAHahahahhahaha!!!
Sorry bro, aku takleh tahan la. drama sebabak pun dia dah lupe kot. ape ini org tua, lagi minum jus, lagi bangang.

Mana taiko USANA, aku tgh tunggu..

azwan said...

Ni bukan kes tertinggal bas. ni kalau dah masuk bas pun konduktor bus pun halau keluar!

HahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHahahahah!!!

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cek chun said...

aiyoyoyo pokli..
score kejadah apakahh???

azwan said...

hAHAHAahahahaHAHAHA...dah delete plak. tau malu. Rambut dah beruban macam babun, perangai mcm budak2. yeahhh... 3-0 la zali kordi. 3 Kordi, 0 Aidid.

hyelbaine said...

Finally finished reading. The longest post yet Aidid?

I'm not going to comment on the medical effects of the product, I think I'll leave that to the likes of Azwan and Rose. I'm pretty sure the rubber tapper's math is better than mine too. They're in the field, I'm just a LDP traffic cone mover.

What interest me is the first few paragraphs. Reading it over and over again, every sentense regarding the financial 'health' of the company raises red flags everywhere. It is common knowledge for those investing in soon-to-be IPO companies or listed companies that was originated from its founder that....when the biggest shareholders who also tend to be the founders start dumping shares in the market, you know something's not right.

One good thing about being a listed company is that you can't hide the numbers, no matter how much creative accounting you put in. Unlike a private company which does not disclose their financial results, a listed company cannot simply claim to make sales of RM25,000,000.00 a month without audited accounts.

The comment on the actual liabilities that USANA has is interesting. As I've mentioned previously, listed companies cannot run away from mark-to-market and fair-value acccounting, no matter how hard they try. Not many companies have zero gearing, it's something that companies have to live with. But having a high of a gearing in terms of debt to equity ratio is not healthy. Put all this together and you'll see if the share price really reflects the stock's EPS, fair value, TP and book value.

For a listed company, there's a lot of smoke and mirrors when it comes to their statements regarding financial results. Share buy-backs can be both good and bad but from what I can read here and also other sources I've looked into, the Usana owners is using share buy-backs as an option to raise capital to keep their entire scheme going.

A rather crude way of describing it would be: Sell at peak before bad news > short stocks > pick up stocks on the cheap > Annouce results(?) > sell at high > profit from new funds. Recycle continues.

Also, anyone should see a statement coming from the CFO saying ""The people who work at it are the ones that in fact generate the income for themselves. Those that don't, or do it for product reasons, obviously don't." should be alarmed. When CFO, the main man in charge of financials of a company says that, you know it has nothing to do with the product, it's all the scheme from the beginning.

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cek chun said...

hahahaha.. strike pun tak lepas. lagi mau score..

p la tidoq pokcik oii

Laila said...

Tabik spring kat Baine bro.

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azwan said...

Baine, when talking about financial issues, i always ensure my CFO stand beside me. Hehehehe...

But i think this is the game among the big players, i mean for those who really has a deep pocket money. Where USD 5mil is considered a small investment for them. But bro, do you know that in pharma industries, we have to live with this options: share buyback to raise our capital. Its not easy man...as you won't get payback period less than 6 years in pharma, unless you do trading.

Azie_Jamaludin said...

hmmm...apsal saya tak penah dengar pon pasal USANA ni??...tak sampai bangi lagi eh???

btw...interesting reading...another MLM company listed dalam my 'dont even think about it' list..

hyelbaine said...

@ Azwan,

That's why I said earlier that share buy-backs can be both a good and bad thing. I understand where you're coming from and I fully agree, yours is an example of share buy-backs benefiting the company and its shareholders. But in the case of USANA, what are they doing with these funds? Theirs is a company who does not seem to show that it reinvest funds in either improving operations, funding CAPEX, initiate new clinical studies and the likes.

An invester doesn't have doubts when Oracle, Microsoft or Berkshire Hathaway goes on a share buy-back binge, you can see the fundementals of the business and it would normally announce its plan after the share buy-back plan soon after. But you do wonder when a company under the investigation by the FBI, SEC and facing CAS all over does the same, if it's for the same, good reasons the former did.

Just like in your line of work, the independent clinical studies are the make-or-break for a product, accounting figures and numbers are the same for listed companies ;)

word verification: oseme..memang tuan Aidid OHSEM!

http://aniesandyou.blogspot.com said...

@cek chun

pok cik li men sorang2..tidoq pn x lena sbb asik tringat kt blog ni je

azwan said...

Hahahahaha!!! 150% understand! Thanks bro.

hyelbaine said...

Well, the facts have been presented from this side of the fence. Let's see how many USANA 'doctors', 'investors', 'health/wellness CONsultants' and 'religious experts' come up with ;)

azwan said...

Mane dorang ni..tercirit aku tunggu.

hyelbaine said...

Sabor bro,

Depa dok pi mengadu ngan upline masing2 tuh. Upline pun pening gaks kena pikir memalam buta nih :P

Tak pun tgh dok copy+paste info dari website USANA and translate pakai google supaya faham sket :P hehheh

azwan said...

PHQ tu dah saman Aidid ke belum?
kudul dah jawab dalam blog dia?
Tertunggu2 gak aku..sampai tercirit nihh..

Laila said...

CFO Usana mesti tercirit ngan tukang angkut cone, CFA.

azwan said...

Lupe plak..
B.Bee.SP dah bagi clinical evidence tak?

cek chun said...

lamanya nak tunggu action..

kena pi jamban dulu lah. haishhhhh

hyelbaine said...

@ Laila,

Uisshh..takkan ler CFO nak tercirit ngan LDP traffic cone mover nih. Kecik hati penyokong2 USANA nanti :P

CFA? Chief Financial Anarchist? :P

@ Azwan,

Clinical evidence? Jauh sekali bro. Dia bagi just a testimonial from someone in Sabah. Didn't bother clicking on the link pun, buang masa jer.

sya88_methionine said...

wanno know something... ramai bdk uia gombak join dis crap... even the lecturers... i dont know. member i siap citer yg ada lecturer quit mengajar just becoz nak concentrate 100% in this business... how silly

Hell`s Angel said...

4 hari masuk hutan punyala banyak entri berkilo-kilo aku kena tinggal bas

Zali kordi... hang memang terbaik la... bab memusing.... Soklan haku berbulan lepas hang tak jawab lagi.

1. Bagi 1 contoh MLM bukan pyramid

azwan said...

sya88, I think that lecturer is a pharmacist is it, ataupun mengajar syariah. I know there is a guy, who is a UIA lecturer buat kerja gila tu. bawak BMW 5 series lama warna putih. Pangkat tinggi juga, diamond ke hape benda ntah.

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Hell`s Angel said...

jawab 1 tu saya tolong jawab yang 20 tu

cik puan sewel said...

USANA? hahahahaha... ari tu aku ada la beli product ni sebab nak tolong kawan... tapi aku dah cakap, yang aku nak beli product je... aku tanak jadik ahli...

dia cakap sume sakit aku akan beransur baik... deman aku, asthma aku, migrain, gastrik...

siap bley kurus uols... ekekeke...

tapi siyes cam haram... takde pape effect pun... aku tetap gak demam... sinus aku makin trok... siap berdarah lagik idong... asthma takyah cakap la... masih seperti dulu... takleh berenggang ngan ubat...

so, USANA MLMers... ko nak sangkal cane ni??? nak cakap ubat tak berkesan kat aku??? ikut individu??? maknanya takde la hebat mana ubat ko ni... ekekeke...

Aidid Mu'addib said...

Razali...
OK, pagi2 ni, everything tgh slow...
Aku jawab 10 drpd 20 soalan ko tu:

1. Am I retarded? - yes, u r.
2. Cordyceps is good for health? - no, it's not. It's a fungus for crying out loud.
3. Am I an asshole? - yes, definitely.
4. Aku kuli-batak cinapek Asia Herbal Tech ke? - no, ko penjilat bontot cinapek AHB.
5. Am I a funny clown? - yes, u r a clown... but no, u were never funny.
6. Cancer can be cured with cordyceps? - no, but if u Razali have cancer one day, please drink that cordyceps product buatan cinapek Taiwan AHB sebagai ubat... jgn sesekali jumpa doktor kat spital. Jgn buat malu diri sendiri.
7. Betul tak Aidid Mu'addib kompius? - do I look confused to u? Do I? 81 entries about all sorts of MLM and pyramid-schemes... and I seemed confused to u? What the fuck am I confused about, you stupid fuck?
8. Am I Razali, funny sometimes? - yes... funny like monkey.
9. Am I retarded? - yes... BERAPA KALI NAK CAKAP DEY?
10. Is MLM good? - yes, good for cinapek Asia Herbal Tech... u know, bontot tak istinja' yg ko jilat tuuuu.

Yg 10 soalan lagik tu akan di jawab lain kali pulak... diharap bersabar.

hyelbaine said...

I did more research into USANA's financial background (sebab anak aku 5.30AM dah bangun :P) and believe me, Google or Bing are of no help. Results are swamped with paid USANA websites that you'd have to dig deep to see news that is unbiased.

Anyways, from the financial results FY ended JAN 1ST 2011, the bulk of sales contribution is still within North America compared to Asia Pacific. The interesting part of this is, growth is only in Asia Pacific where USANA is just expanding into but in regions where they have established and facing CAS lawsuits and investigations, the sales growth in these areas have declined by as much as 2% quarter over quarter.

An analyst in a report cite that one of the reasons USANA has been able to maintain their north american base is no thanks to the global financial crisis (GFC) rather than the product itself. People are 'buying' into idea of 'home businesses' due to a difficult employment climate as the products provided shows no clear differentiation from its competitors.

Another analyst also sight that "The number of Active Associates in the North America region declined by 11.3%, compared with the fourth quarter of the prior year" and reminds potential investors that most are maintaining an 'underweight' call on the share.

Back in July of 2010, USANA announced Q2 results of net sales of $109.2 million advanced year over year by 1.5% from $107.5 million, due mainly to new incentive programs(?) and stronger foreign currencies.

I listened into the recorded investors con-call and it sounded a lot like listening to Razali talk. I think I need not explain what does that mean.

As I said earlier, there's a lot of smoke and mirrors when it comes to USANA but you can see the recurring theme from an analysis of their financial results by a LDP traffic cone mover. It's not really about the product but the overall 'business model' scheme in the end.

It Just Me..... said...

aku tak pernah dengar pun pasal USANA nih...haha, tu kira tak glamer la tu...lagi mau cakap degar2 depa ni...another product from UTAH yg di agung2kan di Mesia...HUH!

Activasi aidid...cam pelik je aku tgk perkataan tu..:P, rajin ko melayan pakcik kordi...hahaha

syzlerz said...

Mr Razali, i've got a question for you

i had provided you with strong evidences of lies previously from asia herbal on the cordy juice product. they lied about the technology patent and the research centre. your two scientific advisor from china were also a suspect as there are no such professor can be found in the tsighua university. the only existing scientific advisor you've got is prof dr azni who's speciality is on waste management which is nothing to do with human medication. thus, this is just a marketing plot from the company in using a designated prof as advisor although the prof added nothing to the product. that prof azni should have advised against using plastic bottle for cordy juice coming from the waste management fields. they should have used bio-degradable packaging which is more friendlier to earth. professionalism? in conclusion, cordy juice claim of advanced scientific technology is nothing but lies.

syzlerz said...

with those lies exposed, the cordy juice is now just an extremely overpriced normal herb drinks that has little amount of cordyceps inside costing rm 120 per bottle. you can always get a cordyceps pills which has higher amount of cordyceps at rm 40 per bottle of 100 pills. there are also many others product in the market which used cordyceps as ingridients. you are welcomed to visit your nearest chinese traditional medicine shop to confirm this. you can even buy those product in bulk and selt it at rm 120 if you want but at least your customer get better value from geting a real dosage of cordyceps herbs.

my question is mr razali, upon learning these cordy juice lies (no tech, overpriced), what would be possibly your motivation in insisting to continue selling cordy juice to your valued customers?

ibnubattuta said...

ala syzlerz. ...

ko tanya soalan yg senang sangat la kat mr razali tu. Apa motivation dia jual jus kordi?

fuluuuuuss la beb, fulus. Ada fulus semua lulussss. Round about tepi jalan pun nampak lurus.

cek chun said...

Tak sabaq nak tunggu lagi sepuluh jawapan aidid untuk soalan pokcik li kordi.

Bersinar sikit hidup aku ditengahari rembang ni bila baca..
U rock la bang.

Hell`s Angel said...

@Syslerz..

It's already been repeated thousands of times. This moron will simply just say, "Korang nak buktikan keberkesanannya? Beli aku punya pegi la buat testing." What a stupid SOB he is..

syzlerz said...

ibnubattuta,

i would prefer if you let mr razali answer that question. the answer if coming from an active mlm seller like razali may provide us with new insight.

aidid had never review cordy juice directly before and razali was full of confidences with the cordy juice benefits. now i had exposed the cordy juice lies and getting him cornered.

mr razali, i appreciate your honest answer

azwan said...

syzlerz,
When the very first time Razali commented in this blog, i was the first person who looked at his profile, and subsequently highlighting the issue of doubt about his cordyceps juice efficacy. I was the first person who request for the clinical evidence of the fucking cordyceps. Unfortunately till now, he refuse to answer. He only told me that there are more than 2500 clinical evidences, but none of the evidence clinically proof the efficacy of cordyceps. When I request for only ONE clinical evidence, he still refuse to answer. And even Johari Rahmad managed to summarize the whole storyline of stupid Razali in hilarious "drama sebabak". What can we conclude about Razali? Definitely he is a LOSER.

Hell`s Angel said...

agreed with bro azwan. Most of us here already fiil frast (ac mang style) with him. Keep on feeding the troll and he'll chew up, vomit out whatever that u fed him straight into your face by spinning everything that u say.

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Asyraf said...

HAHAHAHHA... Man!..Pak Razali.. you are one dumb f**k........

its good having a troll around... but you sir are just useless.....

ibnubattuta said...

syzlerz...

Aku paham kalau ko mengharap honest answer dair razali ni. Tapi seriously beb, aku tanya ko balik, apa harapan ko nak dapat jawapan yg honest lagi tulus daripada razali ni? ys razali ni nampak cuma $$$ je. mana nampak lain. Azwan dari dulu dah cuba nak korek jawapan yg jujur drpd razali nih. boleh kata Azwan ni fail seteruk-teruknya pasal nak korek jawapan dari Razali nih.

Imprezaawie said...

waa...menarik la lagu PPG yg last skali tu...ahaks...

erk...bro aidid...nak mintak tolong bley?
klao bole,nak mintak bro aidid kupaskan pasal score A lebih mendalam n lebih xtreme...sbb skung ni makin ramai kawan2 terjebak dengan benda ni...so,mintak jasa baik bro aidid untuk lakukan penyiasatan lebih lanjut pasal score A...

tu je dr sy...salam anti-MLM

uculer said...

aku kagum dgn tuan tanah tak delete komen razali ni. series. aku baca pun dah panas hati.

but no thanks. i don't need cordySHIT utk sejukkan hati.

Rose said...

Uculer,

Nape x delete Pok Li. To quote Laila (same kes macam JoeJambul):

"kalu remove nanti orang tak tau kepoyoan & kepundekkan dia."

Love it!

uculer said...

@kak Rose (panggil kakak bole? i really respect your patience)

ouh right. btul juga tu.

tapikan saya dok terfikir tau, singapore nak hantar student die pegi training kat israel, under NTU. kire baiklah dengan israel kan?

tapi, negara yang baik dgn israel pun tak benarkan MLM. what does it show?

kalau org fikir secara logik, dia mesti boleh nampak. but then, all of us know some people are incapable of that.

Hell`s Angel said...

bukannya diorang ada otak pun

uculer said...

@hell's angel

well said dude. well said.

Rose said...

Uculer,

Ok (about panggil kak). Though I am not a baby boomer (that's my parents), I am generation X! (rasa cam X-men lak, Jean Grey is my fav).

Thanks (the patience thingy). Tapi kalau JJambul or RKordi depan mata, mau kena piat telinga, tak paham2.

One more thing, facts terang-terang pun MLMers tak nampak, camne facts yang kena fikir2 sendiri nak nampak.

hyelbaine said...

"One more thing, facts terang-terang pun MLMers tak nampak, camne facts yang kena fikir2 sendiri nak nampak."

They can see and they know it but the mind and the heart are clouded. They turn a blind eye and ignore the facts, no matter how obvious it is.

Their mind and heart are clouded by money. The urge to make a quick buck and/or to recoup their 'investment' drive them to defend their actions.

In the case of USANA, how is it that the whole thing is about products when its own CFO said it was not about the product?

ilufne said...

98th!!

hehehhehe... masih gigih untuk dapatkan top 10! okeh nak tidoq. esok pagi baru nak baca.

ilufne said...

lupa lagik nak subcribe komen :P

Fitrix said...

Usana?Macam nama perempuan je.Nasib baik tau nama Usana ni adalah syarikat MLM,jd takde la silap kalau menamakan anak(kalau ada la).

Sesiapa yang nama dia Nurul Usana ke Nur Usana ke sila la tukar nama kerana nama itu bikin panas sama mangsa syarikat MLM ni dan anda mungkin jadi mangsa lepas geram mereka.Sekian,terima kasih.

cek chun said...

tadi dok ronda jumpa benda alah ni.
terbau-bau la ikan nyer.


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Muhamad Zaki Mustafa said...

Salam bang aidid. Saya dapati sejak beberapa lama saya tak dapat ikuti blog abang ni, banyak komen yang bernas dari reader blog abang ni dikesampimng oleh entry baru abang. Maksud saya, terkadang perlu tuk selak balik semua entry abang yang lain untuk cari komen yang mudah dan bernas tentang kenapa kita di SNTM menolak MLM. Sebab saya dapati troller yang baru mahupun yang tegar ikuti blog abang ni walaupun dah kita jawab dalam entry sebelumnya, tetap masih nak tegakkan benang mereka yang bukan sahaja dah basah. Tetapi juga dan reput. Moga abang aidid dapat sediakan satu ruang untuk komen pilihan supaya mudah untuk kita rujuk je selain menggali komen-komen yang lebih bernas. Cadangan sahaja ye bang.

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Hell`s Angel said...

@uculer

I think they deserved that...

azwan said...

Even though in terms of product i found it is quite challenging for me to screw USANA's product efficacy and safety, they still implement the standard way of MLM modus operandi.

But it brings me back to this fundamental question; if USANA's products is that good, why the hell they still need to do it in MLM way?

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azwan said...

Haaa...tua bangka tak sedar2 diri ade gak kat sini. dah la wei..org dah boring dgn ko..cakap dgn ko macam cakap dgn monyet la. tido la kordi oi..

Rose said...

Hehehe, is the Azwan and Razali show about to start?

Hell`s Angel said...

razali kordi = boring!

Rose said...

Yeah, but
Azwan = oh-some!

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azwan said...

Bahlol babun, cara tu betul kalau ko bertuhankan duit. berak pun keluar duit. loser la ko..blah je la fuck...

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azwan said...

Suka hati ko la monyet. Masalahnye ko ni perasan pandai sgt. tapi akal 3 suku. org dah berpeluh terang kat blog ni. ko tu yg mangkuk tak paham2. aku taktau ape yg ko nak buktikan la zali. tapi ko ni mmg memalukan..

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Anep said...

kordi2..

mlm ni masalahnye org atas je untung.. tp org bawah2 tu da rugi da.. lg 1 mlm tu RIBA riba tu HARAM

org len bebisnes gak mcm panadol tu.. tp xde la MERIBA melampau2.. panadol sringit bleh dpt 4 kapsul.. tp cube ko bygkan klu panadol di mlm kan ? mau harge die jadi rm100 tuh 4 kapsul.. sbb ape ? sbb nak tanggung kos bonus upline

mmg la bisnes nk wat duit tp kne la ekot dr segi Islam

cmtu bleh la ak wat kasino ye x ? tu bisnes gak.. bangang x ?

ni mesia la kordi.. arak yg haram pon dorang jual.. rokok yg haram pon dorang jual.. rasuah yg haram pon dorang terime.. hadoi..

ak dengar je mlm taw ape ak fikir dlu ? pengemis jalanan yg bodoh lagi sombong dan bertuhan kan duit smata mata =___=

Anep said...

lagi 1.. please kordi please jawab persoalan2 kat atas..

1- mane bukti klinikal
2- apesal jus ko tu bleh dpt murah klu beli online ?
3- klu minum tu cancer leh semboh x ? klu xleh ape beze je mkn ubat hospital ngan ubat ko tu klu xleh semboh ?

tu je plz jwb plz

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SaZs AxL said...

lol..nak buat soklan rhetorik konon..tp soklan tu lg show ur stupidity n ignorance adela..nampak sgt ko x paham2 lg apsl mlm tu syubhah..ade hati nk compare ngn keje mkn gaji konon..u'v bring trolling to a new level..u r a donkey troll..

ko igt dgn komen kt sini org terpengaruh sgt nk beli kordisep bodo ko tu?

emil said...

gosshhhh...why are u so pathetic..
another clown comparing the mlm scheme against company hierarchy..
i thought aidid already explained in details in one of his entry before...
ada laila as well, had explained the same issue...
wahai pokcik li...it's totally different situation...with regards to their integrity, responsibility and liability there's no doubt manager should be paid more compared to clerk..

and one more thing...ni pun dah jenuh dah org lain habaq...org makan gaji ni..tak kira laa keje ngan gov ker...kejer kilang ker...kejer ngan established company ker...if they were to be employed, they were not asked to DONATE some amount of money to employer okay!!!!

ibnubattuta said...

emil..

Razali tu bukan sebarang clown tau. Tu badut sarkas yg x laku. nak kata kelakar jauh sangat. cakap dengan dia cuma mengabiskan beras je. buat dunno je dengan dia tu. muka pun dah tebal sangat. mungkin sebab dah banyak makan duit haram/shubhah. sapa tau?

azwan said...

Biar aku jawap soalan2 mangkuk ko..

Apa maksudnya anda kata orang yang buat bisness MLM tu bertuhankan duit? CONTOH: JUS KORDI, KHASIAT ZERO, JUAL MAHAL

Adilkah untuk kata orang lain begitu? YA

Anda rasa pelik dan pertikaikan kenapa kerajaan terima dan luluskan MLM disini, YA

adakah anda fikir kami juga pelik
YA, KO MMG PELIK DAN BAHLOL DOL.

kenapa anda rasa MLM itu adalah bisness haram dan hanya kerana duit semata-mata? JAWAB SENDIRIK!

Anda lihat MLM dari mata orang yang tak pernah terlibat dengan Industri MLM pun. Bagaimana anda boleh terima bahawa orang itu adalah benar tentang pandangannya pada bisness MLM sebenar, sedang dia tidak pernah terlibat pun.
SO?

Adakah hanya kerana anda melihat ramai orang yang gagal membuat banyak untung dengan bisness MLM dan anda hukumkan industri ini sebagai salah dan sia-sia? YA

Pernahkah anda meletakkan tentang untung-rugi seseorang itu pada perspektif yang betul? PERNAH

Adakah kerana beberapa orang diatas membuat lebih untung dari yang dibawah menjadikan bisness MLM ini haram? YA

Atau tidak adil?
MLM TIDAK ADIL

Hhahahahhahahahahahhahaaha!!!!!
Yahooo!!!!!!!
Budak Darjah 6 leh jawab soalan ko!

hyelbaine said...

I admire those who are trying to get an honest answer from a wanker. Those who have been here long enough knows that would be just a waste of time. He takes pot shots at other MLM's when he's in the same boat.

He likes to ask questions to other people yet he doesn't like to answer them when the shoe is on the other foot. Claims are spewed from his sorry excuse of a cranial without any need to back them up. He turns it back to the people asking the question to answer on his behalf.

Why is he here? Lonely perhaps but most definitely to irritate the life out of people. It must be a favorite past time of his as he doesn't have to do anything else since his company makes sales worth RM25,000,000.00 so just troll all day.

I agree that Aidid shouldn't delete his comments. With every passing comment the level of maturity is clearly shown and that'll be good for the target audience of this blog. The other MLM'ers must cringe everytime he says something because it'll just drive whatever hope of prospects it may have away.

So go on then sir, continue trolling here. There will be those who are new who will repeat the whole process again but not me. You're no different than a child stuck in an old fart's body. Funny at times but irritating mostly.

Claim what you want about your product or your company. Everyone here with a decent piece of mind will know that the things you claim are as good as hot air, a stinking one at that.

To those who are unsure about MLM's, I present to you En. Razali. An MLM'er in its truest sense. He eats, lives and breath's MLMs. He works with a company that makes sales of RM25,000,000.00 a month and sells a product that will cure every single disease on this earth, including cancer.

But don't expect for him to back those claims, you have to do it and not him.

Aidid Mu'addib said...

Razali Piang....
Pagi-pagi macam ni memang slow, jadi aku sambung jawab soalan ko yg ke 11 hingga 20:

11. Ala ka gua talak baca punya olang? - yep.
12. Adakah MLM itu adalah sistem perniagaan yg bagus? - yep... kalau ko yahudi atau cha.
13. Ada ketepuan pasaran MLM ke tak neh? - Macam ko cakap, takde. Sebab tak nampak depan mata maaa... takde la. Lagi pun ko fail maths SPM. Tak nampak, tak faham kalkulus, tak tahu statistik tu apa... kira takde la kan samdol? (uik! soalan di jawab dgn soalan di situ).
14. Am I an asshole? - you betcha!
15. Am I weird? - you betcha!
16. Cinapek Asia Herbal Tech sayang aku tak? - yep, dapat 10,000 org kuli batak Melayu macam ko Razali, pheeeuuww! Longkah meh! Boleh bersara apek2 tu sume dan pindah ke Taiwan terus.
17. MLM itu tak adilkah? - adil kepala lutut hatok bapak kucing siam engkau!
18. Ko dah sarap bro? - blom, itu sebab aku cranky.
19. Ko tak nak sarap dgn jus cordyceps aku? - nope, ko telan la sendiri hasil tangan cinapek Taiwan tu. Aku minum kopi besa-besa sudah.
20. Am I an idiotic stupid asshole? IYE, IYE, IYE... BERAPA KALI NAK CAKEP?

Sukasuki said...

kordi soal:

Orang yang rugi buat MLM ni sebab dia duduk bawah ye? Kalau duduk atas mesti untung banyak ye? Kalau abg anep kerja makan gaji jadi orang bawah dapat lebih banyak untung dari bos kat atas ye? Biasanya kalau rugi tu dalam berapa ringgit ye?

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ekekekekeekek.. korang kat kursus berharga ratus2 ringgit kena ajar tanya soalan bodoh macam ni ke?

pokcik kordi, reflect sikit hidup tu boleh? umur dah meningkat tapi ayat tak serupa umur.

Meh aku tolong Anep jawab:
Org kat MLM memang rugi duk bawah, sbb, sbb org atas dah pau duit dia since dia register masuk MLM.

Kalau duk atas konfem la untung banyak. Tiap org register dia pau lagi. Kalau 500 orang baru register, dari sorang ahli baru dia pau RM2, kan dah dapat RM1000.

Kalau orang keje makan gaji, takdenye kerani atau manager kena suh cari downline. Bezanya jobscope pokcik.. Kerani stakat taip2, filing, keje2 yang tak payah pecah kepala fikir. Manager kena taip2 juga, dan kena fikir, dan kena manage. Kalau kerani tu malas nak menaip, takdenye gaji manager kena potong.

So siapa yang rugi dalam kes ni, kerani laa.. sape suruh malas.

Terbalik dengan MLM, manager2 kat atas tu kalau malas keje, tapi downline rajin gila cari prospect, dia dapat bahagian juga. Sape yang rugi? orang bawah la rugi, keje macam nak mampos tapi org atas yang pau usaha dia.

Dah dah.. pi jawab soalan anep, soalan azwan, soalan hyelbaine yang dah laaaaaaaaaaaaaaama gila tak terjawab, which shows how coward you are... (yang menunjukkan pokcik ni seorang pengecut)

word verification: lempup.. memang lembap la pokcik kordi ni..

hyelbaine said...

Kelas mathematic di pagi hari untuk pembaca blog bersama tukang angkut kon traffic LDP:

Now in an earlier comment by Razali, he proudly claims that his company does sales between RM18,000,000.00 to RM25,000,000.00 a month. Since the company counts the Agong's brother as its supporter and a whole of host of doctor's and universities as it's backers, we'll take the RM25,000,000.00

Assumption is made that it costs RM120.00 per bottle of this wonderful cure-it-all-but-buyer-has-to-prove-it.

Montly sales: RM25,000,000.00

No. of bottles to be sold to meet montly sales target = 208333.33333333333333333333333333

No. of bottles that must be sold per day = 6720.4301075268817204301075268817

No. of bottles that must be sold per hour = 280.01792114695340501792114695341

No. of bottles that must be sold every minute = 4.6669653524492234169653524492234

So members of this MLM company cannot afford to sleep, eat, troll(?) or do anything else because everyone has to make sure that at least 4 bottles must be sold every single minute, every single hour of every single day in every single month so that it can meet the RM25,000,000.00 target which mind you according to him, is growing!!!

So if they sleep for 6 hours and do other things like eat, take a dump/piss or climb the stairs to their banglo mansion, the number of sales per minute would grow.

But when you look at his persistence in trolling here, it might not be impossible at all.

It Just Me..... said...

Pathetic loser.....(T_T)

azwan said...

Congratz Baine,
Zali ni mesti duduk mansion, tu yg byk mase nak nyibuk kat sini. Takpun RM25 Mil tu China punya sales kot? Hahahaha!!..yahoo!!!

cek chun said...

baine,
Why is he here?

So that he can show to his prospect that he can counterback all the allegations.


Razali: Hang tengok ni, aidid muaddib pun tak terjawab soalan aku. Nampak sangatlah kordicep ni good (sambil tunjuk blog aidid kot iphone)

Prospect: tu hang dah jawab ke 20 soalan yg depa tanya tu?

Razali: tak payah jawab. Hang tengok tu, aidid ngan azwan sendiri yg jawab. Senang kerja aku. Kalau aku salah, takkan aku nak dok menebeng kat sini lagi bai. Aku dah cakap..kordisep ni baguih. Good. Excellent.
So, nak baper botoi bai???

zura said...

dah le tu pakcik li oi..dah terang lagi bersuluh, MLM ni mmg tipu je lebih, takyah le susah2 nak pertahankan..tapi kalo nak glemer kat cyberspace ni boleh le melawan arus kat sini..hui..aku tak berani..

ilufne said...

No. of bottles to be sold to meet montly sales target = 208333.33333333333333333333333333

No. of bottles that must be sold per day = 6720.4301075268817204301075268817

No. of bottles that must be sold per hour = 280.01792114695340501792114695341

No. of bottles that must be sold every minute = 4.6669653524492234169653524492234


hahahahahahahhahaha! decimal points yang tak tahan tuuuuuuuuuuu! panjang berjelaaa!!!! :P

good one baine! :D

Anep said...

haa cek kordi yg disayangi.. soalan2 yg ko tanye ak da terjawab da.. (tu pon klu ko reti bace la =__=)

lagi pon yg makan gaji tu pon ekot pangkat.. lagi tinggi pangkat lagi mencabar keje.. bukan mcm MLM lagi tinggi pangkat lagi goyang kaki.. lagi byk anak buah lagi masyuk duit dpt n lagi cepat la PYRAMID RUNTUH..

c'mon la dgr je MLM da terbayang sistem pyramid..

FOUNDER < paling kayak bleh bli keta bmw 4 5 6 bijik + rumah banglo dll

pstu Crown Manager < kedua kayak tp still xleh kayak macam founder, tp still la bleh beli kreta bmw sbijik cmtu

pstu Diamon Member < kaya jugak tp xkan sekaya Crown Manager, leh bli kete proton je la kot

pstu yg bawah2 ni da haprak da.. tukang derme duit kat org atas jew nak beli ape ? kancil pon x lepas kot

skrang bleh la jawab soalan2 kitorang lak kan

1- mane bukti klinikal

2- apesal jus ko tu bleh dpt murah klu beli online ?

3- klu minum tu cancer leh semboh x ? klu xleh ape beze je mkn ubat hospital ngan ubat ko tu klu xleh semboh ?

tolong jawab ye plz ?

uculer said...

en razali, saya rasa encik cari la modal lain selain drpd compare MLM dgn kerja makan gaji. itu modal 2005. tau tak ini tahun berapa?

'pelik tak kenapa malaysia kasi masuk benda-benda gini?'
sumpah saya tak pelik. sbb dia: WANG. tapi saya pelik jugalah kenapa orang join MLM. itu paling pelik.

kalau takde demand, takdela supply.

tapi betullah, dengan adanya encik razali, mmg terserlah 'kepandaian' org MLM ni. sepupu aku dok share artikel ni kat kekawan dia, sure gelak-gelak je tgk komen encik razali.

jadi nasihat saya encik razali, kalau tanak business melingkup, tak payah komen. sbb nampak sgt bodoh. kalau ada bakal downline yg baca semua komen anda, takut nnt derang mula question credibility anda.

tak takut ke hilang prospek? takut nnt 'when one says, no, we say next' tu akan bertukar kepada nil.

saya tak suruh anda berenti buat MLM. buatlah nak buat. tapi saya rasa anda tak sedar komen-komen anda yang lebih membunuh bisnes anda. apatah lagi bila anda bertanyakan soalan utk menjawab soalan. mula-mula konon nmpk mcm bijak, tapi lepas tu nmpk sgt takde kredibiliti.

dah habis baca komen ini encik razali? (saya tak suruh digest, saya tau anda tak mampu). dah rugi berapa minit ni? nnt jualan syarikat jatuh.

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menetti90 said...

pakcik razali dah lupa ke..and dah delete dah post pasal income 12juta tuh..kah kah kah..kesiannn..
in office, we call this people chicken :)

Asyraf said...

apa masalah ko ni zali..... kenapa tak faham faham ni........ aku rasa jus cordy yang ko minum banyak banyak tu dah buat ko bengap tahap gaban dah ni......

makin bodoh je comment ko....... rasa macam nak ludah kat muka ko pun ade ni.......

act your age la.... malu la bai......


pasal manager tu... dia tak perlu ambik tindakan lagi... dia boleh nasihat..... mungkin jejas kerani tu punya appraisal ...so gaji tak naik ke bonus tak dapat ke.... tapi takdenya tolak gaji.....

menetti90 said...

lain kali tak yah gebang lebey lebey pakcik...ilmu matematik ni, sampai kubur pun pakai tau..nak kira berapa dalam liang, berapa lebar nak gali..cakap ade sales 12 juta sebulan masa post pasal HL, tgk2 dah delete
pastu ckp @baine buat cerita...wakakakakaka

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menetti90 said...

ala pakcik..saya ni muda lagi. Tak nyanyuk (alhamdulillah, mintak dijauhkan)dan tak minum jus kordi...

Lps komen 12 juta (yg buat sumer org berdekah2) yang tidak disahkan oleh akauntan syarikat...pakcik ade cakap...amaun itu mungkin mencapai 25 juta sebulan.

chicken! chicken chop maybe??

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Da One & Only said...

Mlm tadi kat TV9 pkul 10 aku ngk Raudhah (Halaqah). Tajuknya: Yahudi... Panel ialah Dr.Danial Zainal Abidin... Aku suke dgr ceramah beliau sbb beliau selalu mengaitkan Al-Quran dan Sains. Beliau menceritakan bagaimana Zionis ingin menguasai dunia ni. Salah satu 'jarum'nye adalah bisnez shubahah/gharar ni... perkataan kasarnye "MLM"...

menetti90 said...

conclusion/kesimpulannya:

1. pakcid li ade la post pasal income bulanan kompeni pakcik 12 juta or maybe 25 juta kan ? kan?


2.ala pakcik jangan marah, baine buat kiraan based on best case scenario.....nanti kita suruh dia buat based on worst case scenario which is 12mill/per month nak?

okla..jumpa petang karang.... buh bie

Miss Ted said...

omg sumpah irritating.

meh aku jawabkan.

Kalau panadol di MLM kan harganya kekal seringgit tak boleh bagi pengedar untung ye?
> MEMANG TAK BOLEH. CEMANA NAK BAYAR BONUS BERTINGKAT2 KAT UPLINE SAMPAI 5 LEVEL TU KALAU HARGA KEKAL SERINGGIT.

SBB TU LA KITORANG TAK SETUJU DGN MLM. END USER AKAN MEMBAYAR HARGA BERKALI GANDA DARI SEPATUTNYA.


sekarang kita beli panadol dari kedai atau pembuat panadol yang jual sendiri pada kita?

>MEMANG LA BELI DARI KEDAI BUKAN DARI PEMBUAT PANADOL. TAPI HARGA YG KITA BAYAR MASIH BERPATUTAN SEBAB DARI PEMBUAT PANADOL KEPADA PEKEDAI MOST LIKELY SUPPLY CHAIN DIA HANYA MANUFACTURER-DISTRIBUTOR-PEKEDAI RUNCIT, DAN SETIAP PERINGKAT HANYA MARK-UP UNTUNG ON TOP OF THEIR OWN COSTS SAHAJA SERTA KO TAKYAH BAYAR 'JOINING FEE' SEMATA2 UNTUK JUAL PANADOL.

SBB TU LA KITORANG TAK SETUJU DGN MLM. END USER AKAN MEMBAYAR HARGA BERKALI GANDA DARI SEPATUTNYA, AGAIN SEBAB NAK KENA MAKE SURE HARGA JUALAN BOLEH COVER BUKAN HANYA OWN COST TAPI BONUS KAT UPLINE YG BERTINGKAT2 KAT ATAS PADAHAL DIORANG TAK TERLIBAT PUN DALAM SUPPLY CHAIN.

ok sekarang boleh la jawab soalan2 spesifik yang ni:

skrang bleh la jawab soalan2 kitorang lak kan (ulang tayang)

1- mane bukti klinikal

2- apesal jus ko tu bleh dpt murah klu beli online ?

3- klu minum tu cancer leh semboh x ? klu xleh ape beze je mkn ubat hospital ngan ubat ko tu klu xleh semboh ?

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Da One & Only said...

Konvesional Bisnez dgn MLM pon tak dpt nk bezakan... sila le baca post aidid, paham je kami semua. Tade keliru pon. Tok Jali yg mengelirukan diri sendiri...Annoying Talking Donkey...

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Sukasuki said...

Pokcik ni yang nampak sangat keliru.

Mula2 nak samakan makan gaji dengan sistem komisyen MLM.

Dah kena jawab, dia ubah topik (nak suh manager ambik tindakan kat kerani malas pulak daaa) dia nak samakan bisnes biasa dengan bisnes MLM.

Dah kena jawab, dia nak lari topik lagi suruh berguru.

Lepas ni nak samakan apa pulak pokcik? Overdose Panadol ye...

Sukasuki said...

Owh.. dia tukar topik pulak pasal pemahaman dan penggunaan fakta.

So fakta ni tak boleh guna la ye pokcik? Kena guna gerak hati ye? Ok, gerak hati saya MLM bukan sahaja shubhah, malah haram. Boleh?

Aidid Mu'addib said...

lipas wadefaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak?
Aiyooooooooooooooooooooooo ma!

It's like.... aku kasi kuliah kat Razali ni pasal sains engine kereta, di mana engine tu bakar petrol kat dlm kebuk dengan bantuan spark-plug, yg ada elektrical spark, yg dijana oleh bateri/dynamo... Razali keluar drpd dewan kuliah, beritahu kawan dia - kereta tu bergerak sebab ada JIN dlm engine nya.

p/s: aku beli Panadol 1000 biji dalam RM40 gitu lbh-krg...
aku jual 10 sen sebijik, lebih murah dari kedai runcit tu...
what's the fucking point again?

Sukasuki said...

gerak hati dia kata JIN yang gerakkan engine.. fakta mana boleh pakai...

Razali said...
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Aidid Mu'addib said...

Are you tempting me to delete your sorry ass boy?

Miss Ted said...

Dear all, may I humbly suggest that we all stop feeding the troll. This kind of discourse is just not beneficial nor is it fun anymore.

Membazir bandwidth.


Back to the topic of Usana, if any, pls.

Rose said...

Agree with Miss Ted. Remember the animal training method? I am sure that method will work on Kordi. (ignore his bad behaviour, no negative reinforcements like marah or layan). Kalau Ada good behaviour, bagi just Kordi segelas (positive reinforcements).

aku-alam said...

Nak ketawa bila baca komen En. Razali.. Apa kata en. Razali bagi jawapan untuk soalan mereka-mereka yang kat atas tu dulu.. Then baru kemukakan soalan baru.. Jenuh menanti jawapan En. Razali..

Miss Ted said...

LOL@Rose

So back to Usana, I'm intrigued by the point raised by azwan in his comments :

azwan said...

Even though in terms of product i found it is quite challenging for me to screw USANA's product efficacy and safety, they still implement the standard way of MLM modus operandi.

But it brings me back to this fundamental question; if USANA's products is that good, why the hell they still need to do it in MLM way?


Why, kan? They could've gone through the normal way of distribution as per other vitamin makers and sell perhaps even more at lower price than by being MLM product.

Sadly, the answer that seems staring at our faces is, apa lagi, DUIT lah kan? Cuma instead of like other MLMs yg make money berlipat ganda from selling benda yg keberkesannya belum tentu, at least for Usana, produknya tak lauya, camtu ke? What do u guys think?

hyelbaine said...

SubhanAllah En hyelbaine....pandainya kira-kira, 25,000,000 sebulan tu dapat dari mana bang?

Abg keliru menunjukkan kekeliruan yang sangat mendalam..ikan goreng besar belom laku ye bang?

Tak sangka abg pengedar dadah tu lebih bodoh dari kepala lutut pacik.


Wah2, alimnya ayat.... Aku dapat dari mana? Dari kau ler, lupa ker? Ker tak sempat delete komen? :P

Razali said...

Tak ada minat nak buat entri tentang Jus Cordyceps ke bang? Nama kompeni dah bagi, nama pemilik pun dah bagi, nak tengok compensation plan dulu ke? Sales kita dah semakin tinggi ni lebih kurang RM12 juta sebulan. Tak rasa nak bantu pembeli yang tertipu tu ke? Tak kesian ke?
March 2, 2011 5:10 PM

Razali said...

Buat saja entri bang jangan ragu-ragu, untuk kebaikan sejagat tiada yang susah atau senang, 12 juta mungkin kurang tepat..boleh jadi 13-18 or 25 siap tahu, yang pastinya ia bertambah naik setiap minit-jam.

Nak mintak tunjuk penyata akaun pulak ke? Tak semudah itu.
March 2, 2011 5:54 PM

Razali said...

Jangan hanya kerana sales RM12 juta sebulan semua pandangan anda tentang Cordyceps dah berubah. Jangan terus percaya semua cerita-cerita kerana duit.

Dan jangan fikir dalam bisness MLM sebenar jualan RM12 juta itu mustahil. Banyakkan belajar supaya nanti bertambah ilmu dan toleransi.
March 2, 2011 6:08 PM


Semua ada kat sini der, jangan pegi delete pulak yer ;)

Da One & Only said...

Gerak hati aku bgtau bhw fakta aidid mmg benar... Nk cite satu laa... Dlu aku penah keje sbg programmer utk buat satu system pengiraan bonus satu company MLM...company melayu... from front end smpi back end system aku buat... dan aku tau kepala² company ni buat keje camne nk mengayakan diri masing²... sifat TAMAK semuanya.
They can even made me changed some policy without even telling the distributor 1st. Worst case is meke sesuke hati menukar sponsor(utk cut line org masuk line depa) supaya dpt lebih lg... GOSH!! my work ethic is gone that day... pas2 aku blah bersama dgn aku adalah database seramai 60k++ ahli... kalu aku jahat aku bleh je jual DB pd malaun² lain... 2-3bln pas2 adela company² MLM lain approach aku keje dgn meke... aku xmau da... SUMPAH aku xnak wat keje cam2 lg... serius... system MLM pasti crash as u said bro aidid... bcos i saw the inside of the system myself, i created it... from one plan to other plan until no plan can be create anymore, the system will crash...maximum 6yrs..after that tepu daa...needs new company, new plan n new malaun. That is what MLM company about........

azwan said...

Miss Ted,

Appreciate your effort to raise back my question.

Guys..if USANA's product quality is really above par, why should they need MLM? I know the end point is about money. Or is it undeniable that MLM is the best way of marketing?

Personally i think it is, because it double and triple the speed of word of mouth, which the most powerful way of promoting service/products. You will certainly convinced if your close friends trust the MLM products and promote it to you.

However, the best way of promoting and branding as implement in MLM is not ethical at all. It is not ethical because the products has no benefits, the efficacy and safety is a major concern. Just like cordyceps juice, where the seller claims it can cure almost all diseases under the sun.

So in terms of MLM product, 99% is bullshit, while USANA probably in the 1% group. The next question is about the business model. Since the business model is filled with shubahah, riba, etc(as explained by Aidid), we can conclude that MLM is a business to avoid by anyone else in this world.

azwan said...

Bahlol la ko zali. apesal ko tukar gambar? muka ko dah tak laku kan?

Ko sorang je kat sini retard sial. ape kate ko blah je terus. got lost la samdollll...

Mr N Mrs |mran said...

I think there are some points that I think worth to be highlighted here about Usana.

Usana never pressure any of his associate/member to run the MLM biz. There are 2 types of membership and for those who just wanna consume the products they can just sign up as Preferred Customer or better known as free member but still enjoy the same privilege like paid member or distributors. Free member can enjoy discounts price and also access to many promotions and also been given an ID to access the web just like the distributors. Difference is only free member won't be getting any bonuses if they make any sales.

So to those who think up for a challenge and think that Usana biz suit for them, then there are better sign up as paid member.

And another good thing, you can change your membership anytime. Meaning if you think the compensation plan is suck, the bonus is not enough for you, and wish to downgrade your membership from a distributor to a free member, you can do so anytime. Yes anytime. Just a matter or filling up a form and submit it, it is free of charge.

And about product claim or testimonial. It's written clearly in Usana policy they don't allow distributors to make any product claim or testimonials. I was once before putting up some testimonials on my blog and many other product info and has been given a letter by Usana instructed me to remove all of the contents that related to Usana. So, I can see that Usana is quite particular about how their distributor conducted business and never encourage the distributors to mention any product claims with or without proof/testimonial.

As far as I know, there are no other MLM quite like Usana. Free for life membership, no joke.

Aidid Mu'addib said...

But Forbes Magazine said that USANA is a big joke dear... among other people, including me.

azwan said...

Imran, everything is written in the compensation plan. You better read carefully. And why the heck any newcomers want to join USANA as ordinary member? And why the heck they want to downgrade themselves since all the support system is functioning well; the seminar, talk, etc. Its going to be a loss to USANA anyway if they allow this. "Never pressure" sounds cool, but it is part of marketing strategy.

Imran, USANA play a mind games on you, telling all these grandmother stories about compensation plan, membership options, etc. Which i think its rubbbbbbish.

You tell me and be frank, when the very first time they approached you..which scheme/package/options did they urge you to join?

Razali said...
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Mr N Mrs |mran said...

Dear Azwan,

1) They are free to join as free member if they just wanna consume the products (personal use)

2) They want to downgrade after trying the business and think the biz is not for them but they like the product and wanna continue using/consuming it.

3) Nobody approached me. I did my research and I join as ordinary member via my friend (who is not an active distributor just buying some vitamins monthly for her family) to purchase some skin care products.

4) If you don't like the compensation plan, nobody asking you to like it. Take it or leave it.

Aidid Mu'addib said...

OK... komen yg ini aku tak delete.
Are you stupid crazy?
You're talking about Forbes magazine talking about an American business malfeasance...
Ko tak tahu Forbes Magazine tu apa? Aiya!

azwan said...

Yahudi bayar. Fakta sumer fingertips aku. Tu yg ko nak kan? Lagi2?

hyelbaine said...

@ Imran,

It's pretty clear you are some of the many who find using the product as no big deal and you find the somewhat 'restrictive' compensation plan fine by you.

That's your views and the blog and its reader might disagree with you but that's normal. Nobody's putting a gun to your head to change your mind, no worries.

I for one do not agree with USANA as a financial corporation. In my previous comments I've made that known, if you're willing to read of course.

@ Razali,

Aku dah jawab der soklan kau kat aku. Cuba scroll sikit, ada kat atas tuh haaa. So, dah RM26 juta sekarang ker? :P

azwan said...

I see..

Since you are not a typical kind of MLMer, means you are not kind of person who is hunger for downline everyday, it is your right to consume the product. Its your choice and nobody blame you for that. But my stand is you are still directly supporting the business.

You are not answering my question, and i think you are in the position to do that because you are not an active distributor. Come on.....the main revenue generator for USANA is not people like you, but the active member.

Aidid Mu'addib said...

In New Zealand, however, Usana distributors seem to be very interested in making commissions. “WORKING HARD WON’T MAKE YOU RICH,” say advertisements for recent Usana recruitment meetings in Tauranga and Wellington. “Learn how you can fire your boss in the next 3-5 years…so you can live the lifestyle of your dreams.” And though the ads promise to explain how to improve your health with Usana products, they also say you “really can use this knowledge to become wealthy.”

But according to government statistician Murray H Smith, very few Usana distributors are likely to become wealthy. In fact, he said, “you can make a very strong argument that this could be a pyramid scheme.” Dr Smith’s opinion counts in these matters. He’s been an expert witness in every one of the Commerce Commission’s cases against pyramid schemes during the last 10 years.

NBR asked him to review Usana’s business structure and compensation plan, and— although he was careful to state that he was qualified to make only statistical judgments and not legal judgments—he said Usana showed some of the characteristics that commonly occur in pyramid schemes:

- At any given instant, most members will not have made enough money to recoup what they've paid to participate in the company;

- The people at the top of the company structure are more likely to make money than the people at the bottom of the structure; and

- As more people join the company over time it will become harder for the majority at the bottom of the company structure to recruit others. Those people tend to become discouraged and drop out.

What Dr Smith found is supported by Usana’s company documents, which show:

- 87 per cent of commission-earning distributors did not make enough to recoup the cost of their monthly qualifying purchases;

- The top 7.7 per cent of Usana’s commission-earning distributors made 72.2 per cent of the company’s commissions; and

- The company has a “significant turnover” in its distributors every year according to its 2006 SEC filings, and so it “must continually recruit” new distributors.

The bottom line, Dr Smith said, is that the vast majority of Usana distributors end up paying more to qualify for commissions than they actually make in commissions. “Most people,” he said, “won’t get their money back.”

Mr N Mrs |mran said...

Oh I missed this part commented by En.Azwan,

Quote "And why the heck they want to downgrade themselves since all the support system is functioning well; the seminar, talk, etc. Its going to be a loss to USANA anyway if they allow this. "Never pressure" sounds cool, but it is part of marketing strategy." unquote

Answer is Usana always welcome the associate/distributor back to the company as ordinary member, if they still like the products and wanna continue using it.

I love the products since it works for me (for my health and some complication). But still am not saying it is a magic bullet, it just that with izin Allah and ikthiar using Usana products. It really works. I did consume some hospital medicine before consuming Usana, but my condition remain unchanged.

Miss Ted said...

Azwan, Mrs Imran is in fact an active Usana distributor.

But she's an exception in MLM biz rather than the rule as u pointed out, as she said she doesn't encourage her customers to join as Usana distributor if all they want is just to consume the products. Mrs Imran is again an exception whereby unlike Mr Razali and the rest who only spews the marketing material packaged with their starting kit, she did her own research before deciding, and went in based on quality of products rather than the performance bonus plan purely to make money.

If all members of MLM biz is like her, then methinks 99% of existing MLM companies would never go beyond the launching ceremony :)

azwan said...

Thanks Aidid.
Thats the whole point, unlike ordinary member of USANA like Imran, all the active member keep on searching for new downlines every minutes. The compensation plan or whatever options is a gimmick. They try to cloud the actual business. USANA people, just like others MLMers = pengemis, penyangak, penipu, pemanipulasi!

azwan said...

"I did consume some hospital medicine before consuming Usana, but my condition remain unchanged."

Careful with the statement. You just don't know what you are talking about. don't turn yourself into a dumbass just like Razali. He is total shit. Without professional guide and knowledge, you are still a lay person and i forgive you for that. And please don't do any marketing here, I am starting to feel nausea.

Miss Ted...really? i did not read carefully her blog.
"as she said she doesn't encourage her customers to join as Usana distributor if all they want is just to consume the products"
You know..I am super critical about this. Well, that is her statement.

Mr N Mrs |mran said...

@hyelbaine thank you for your understanding :) Insyallah if time permit I will try to read your comment. But Aidid's comment section has been spammed/flooded by some kind of unworthy comments. I have difficulty to pick the beneficial ones. It such a waste of time, it would be better if such comments never being typed in.

qontary said...

Just don't forget, devourer of usury, its payer and its scribe are equal(in sin) in Islam.

Mr N Mrs |mran said...

Dear Azwan,

It's not my intention at all to do marketing here. Am just answering your questions and let the rest know why am taking the products. That's all.

If you feel nausea already, it's my pleasure to move forward with my life. Am doing /commenting here to highlight some points that others might interested to know. It got to be balance.

Miss Ted has been purchasing the products from me many times already and she's not a member of Usana yet and I never pressure her to join Usana. And if she interested to join in future, I will for sure ask her to join as a free member.

hyelbaine said...

@ Imran,

Understand your constraints but trolls can't be avoided so patience is a virtue for anyone wanting to glean knowledge from this blog and it's comments.

In summary, the financial's of USANA is suspect in it's practices. It doesn't cheat in terms of numbers (as a listed company you cant) but they do their best to confused the normal folks and only focus on the big numbers/details.

In my earlier comment I quoted USANA's own CFO that said "The people who work at it are the ones that in fact generate the income for themselves. Those that don't, or do it for product reasons, obviously don't."

That is enough for me to know that while the product maybe good (for you in your case) but the greater objective is the compensation plan itself. That's the bottom line, the gist of it.

azwan said...

It is my pleasure to see you move forward your life with USANA. Lets wait and see when actually USANA will collapse. You know, you not the first kind of "nice" MLMers that we encounter here. Thanks for sharing.

Mr N Mrs |mran said...

Dear Azwan,

My life is not all about Usana. I have my own company and businesses. If Usana collapse (nothing is immortal and live forever) , it never scares me, because am supplying Usana to frens and family who needs it and definitely not hunger for downlines.I even help my downline to terminate their membership if they wish to.

And I never intended to be the "nice" MLMers as you said. I am me.

Wasallam.

Aidid Mu'addib said...

Yep... that's why, I heard, USANA loves Malaysia.
The Americans are waking up about all these,
but Malaysians are still asleep. Game on!

USANA's absurdly overpriced CoQuinone® 30 versus comparable products
USANA's CoQuinone® 30 product is quite popular among its distributors. Do their distributors know just how much they are paying for their CoQ-10 product? I thought I would compare USANA's product with other companies.

USANA's CoQuinone® 30 has 56 tablets, each contains 30 mg of CoQ-10 and 12.5 mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid. USANA Charges its distributors $37.95 for one bottle.

What I did is find other companies who sell both CoQ-10 and Alpha Lipoic Acid. I calculated the cost per mg per tablet for both products. Then I recalculate the cost to make an equivalent product as USANA's (56 pills each with 30 mg of CoQ-10 & 12.5 mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid). The resulting cost is astonishing!

GNC, Natrol, Source Naturals, and Nature's Bounty all fall under $10 for an equivalent product to USANA's.

http://www.mlmpyramid.com/USANACoQ10.pdf

Again, USANA overcharges its distributors in order to fund its pyramid scheme.

azwan said...

I am not interested to know any people related with MLM. For me, they are just a scumbag + dumbfuck. Of course you are not as stupid as Joe to commit his whole life for Herbalife. You are not that naive, don't you?

I have one request, please don't reuse this phrase while you are promoting USANA's product: "I did consume some hospital medicine before consuming Usana, but my condition remain unchanged." Its sounds fucking stupid as you know nothing about modern medicine. It MAY keeps patient away from the hospital too. Watch-out what you are trying to say.

Oh ya, its your part time job. Keep on supporting MLM. I am happy for you.

Rose said...

Saje nak tambah,

(still about the founder of USANA)
Myron Wentz tu bukan medical doctor, just PhD holder in immunology and microbiology. Bukanla pakar nutrition ke apa. Scientific papers dia pun ada empat, pun bukan bidang nutrition or drug development. Albert Einstein Award yang diterima pun bukan the original Albert Einstein Award. Bila founder pun dah di spin, makes me think about what other things they can spin?

What I know about USANA products, mostly have high % of vitamins precursors, so badan will convert the precursors menjadi vitamins as needed by the body. So, bila % tinggi, badan boleh amek berapa banyak sangat la precursors tu untuk kegunaan badan, yang selebihnya masuk dalam air kencing. Tu yang air kencing bau power, sebab you dah buang unneeded precursors...dah membazir
ler...Baik lepas tu kumpul balik air kencing, pastu telan balik...muahahaha....

Just my two cents, correct me if I'm wrong :)

hyelbaine said...

Aidid, the price comparisons that you quoted hardly surprise me. Even their own CFO said it, it's not really about the product. While the likes of you, Azwan and Rose look at the medicinal part of things and found nothing great, the financial numbers just adds to the whole stench that is USANA.

Annette Michelle said...

Pagi tadi kawan saya bagitau biras dia baru nak join herbalife. Saya suruh dia hold dulu biras dia tu dan saya bagi link aidid kat dia. mudah2an dia tak teruskan.

silent.niche said...

Gua pembaca setia sejak tajuk yang menyentuh tentang kesusahan ibu melahirkan kita.

Gua cuma nak bagitau tukang komen gua ialah bro hyelbaine. bro, your english is superb!

Ada jugak yang gua tak berapa berkenan dgn tukang komen. dia selalu koen tapi dia bukan komen tentang topik, ayik sibuk ckp benda takde kena-mengena. kalau ada nama dia gua mesti skip punyer. hahaha

papepun, bro aidid terbaik! moga murah rezeki!

Rose said...

Am watching a sitcom called The Big Bang Theory. A very funny remark Sheldon said about taking multivitamins - a human body can only take so much, you are just going to have a very expensive urine :)

Quite apt for this topic too..

Connieliscious said...

Fine, the system is screwed, but can someone, anyone...please help me let me know whether the product itself is f***ed up? my husband just sold his soul to the Usana devil.

His dad went for an angiogram and drs detacted 4 blockages and he requires
a bypass...some muthafu*ka usana distributor convinced my hubs than the product helps to clear the blockages which to me seem ridiculous cos if that was the case it would hv been a medical breakethru (correct me if im wrong)...the thing is my dad in law seem to look healthier and he says that he feels better after taking the product...im not convinced that its the workings of the product...and their postponing the bypass....please advice

azwan said...

Salam,

Connieliscious..
Very simple. As a professional medical doctor for more than 20 years, i won't waste my time to explain to you the pathogenesis of Myocardial Infarct.

4 blockages is indeed a very very very super crucial condition. Anytime he can collapse and straight away die on the spot, even with superb CPR support. For cardiologist, time is miocardium(heart tissue), means every second is precious to save patient's life. You are not talking about minor blackage, this is 4 blockage...for god sake...4!!! I just want to emphasise how important not to delay the bypass and please act immediately/now.

If he still insist to take USANA, fine...advice him to take it after the bypass.

One take home message, supplement will always functions as supplement: to delay disease, not to cure.

OK, if let say USANA product can release the blockage, please ask the fucking MLMers how FAST it can release? If...the USANA product can cure the disease less than 2 hours (in comparison with bypass procedure), its my humble request to continue with the supplement. I am even more than happy to suggest it to my fellow cardiologist.

Please..that old guy is a time bomb...

TQ

azwan said...

For other viewers, tak kesah la korang MLMers ke atau anti-MLM...

Ni la contoh classical camne MLM tu leh menjahanamkan manusia. Punyelah cilakak leh sampai melibatkan nyawa. Kita mmg tak boleh tolerate benda2 camni. Suppose org yg promote USANA tu kena bantai cukup2..

Ok, ni semua pengajaran..tak kesahla produk MLM tu gempak camne pun. MLM...pendajal manusia nombor satu.

hyelbaine said...

Agree with Azwan, heart blockages are not to play with. With 4, it can't be good to delay it any further.

Your dad in law feeling 'good' is nothing more than a placebo. Fact of the matter is, he might 'feel' good but the blockage is still there.

Please, get your dad in law to a proper/professional help at the soonest.

Connieliscious said...

@Azwan,
Thank you Sir for replying.

@hyelbaine,
totally agree on the placebo effect.

I was actually there when hubs was being briefed by those blood suckers. they said sometimes blockages are caused by swollen arteries due to poor diet...so by taking the product it will cause the swelling to subside...hogwash.. but my hubs was willing to hear anything...question, is that even possible?

azwan said...

The answer lies in your statement. "SOMETIMES blockages are caused by swollen arteries due to poor diet"

There is no unsure kind of statement when you are dealing with life and death. no sometimes. it is yes or no. sometimes means its like a gamble. this is not a game. bring your dad in law to the nearest hosp asap before its too late..

Anyway, at this juncture you need a definite treatment, means bypass procedure. Why the heck super critical condition like this need a slow dying supplement like USANA? The basic principle not even match.

Swelling of artery? due to what?? They don't know the underlying pathology and not trained to talk what they are suppose to talk.

TQ

Rose said...

Azwan, correct me if I'm wrong (ni tengah dok ingat zaman degree amek biomedical science dulu), kalau kita eat food yg ada high density lipoprotein, we can get this buggers to pick up plaque from artery walls, kan?

azwan said...

Rose,
If you are talking about HDL, yes, it is. Thats why we call it "good cholesterol". The bad ones is low density lipoprotein.

The parameters that we monitor in patient with high cholesterol: HDL, LDL, TG and TC.

TQ

hyelbaine said...

@ Connieliscious,

I think the facts presented are evident enough that your dad in law needs proper care, quick. I know it's tough to convince someone but the fact of the matter is, the heart is what keeps us all going.

It is a condition that can be saved, unlike cancer or kidney failure. The medicinal methods has been proven over and over again, no one can dispute that.

I hope things will work out for you and your family. Do what is necessary and trust in Him with your actions as he is Most Merciful.

Connieliscious said...

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond, i think i have sufficient facts to slow talk the ol' man into expediting the bypass, i guess he is just terrified and willing to hear and believe anything...

I cant thank you enough.

Rose said...

Azwan, thanks. Coz sometimes what we learn (theories) are somewhat different in real life (practical), that's why I asked. I take it the good cholesterol is useful for prevention rather than cure, right?
Connieliscious, hope your FIL would listen to the good doctor's advice. Kalau tak percaya lagi, ask him to go to a few doctors and ask their professional opinion. I am sure they will all agree with Azwan. Then think, professional opinions vs salesman's opinion, which ones are more credible?

Rose said...

Oh, too late (damn this moving train, kept getting lost signals). Glad you are being sensible and all the best in getting the old man to undergo the surgery. Insyaallah he will come to his senses. Good luck.

azwan said...

No prob, it is my responsibility. Like Baine said, do what is necessary. Good luck Connie!

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