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Saturday, March 5, 2011

Herbalife Redux - Some Extra Shit To Read



Aidid Mu'addib said... (responding to JoeJambol):
I stand by my statement. Some cows do really eeeaaattt shhiiittt! Nak marah? Kepala hatok ko nak marah. Tell that to those people who get screwed with liver toxicity swallowing this kinda shit. Kasi emak ko telan kejadah ni? That's a real good boy. Ada tu nak perasan butthurt. Lanun penyamun macam bzns Herbalife amalan alkafirun ni nak perasan innocent jugak? Seriously? You reap what you sow... live with it, or go to hell. Your feelings doesn't concern me. The well-being of Malay consumers is my priority. Understand that creep. You're nothing to me... cos you promote Herbalifeshit to other people - and think you're great and noble. You're nothing but cannon-fodder and a clueless slave for those alkafirun. Understand that too.

Herbalife, Sells But Weeds And Illusions
The Belgian consumer protection magazine, "Test-Achats" sues 
the company for multi-level-sales practices forbidden by law. 
Test-Achats/November 1, 2004 

Herbalife, a well-known multinational specialised in the sale of slimming products and food supplements, benefits mainly from its far reaching network of hierarchically organised independent salesmen. As in the past, Test Achats draws the attention of consumers to the ineffectiveness of the slimming products of the Herbalife range. What is new, however, is that Test Achats has decided to sue this company for its practice of multi-level-sales which is illegal.

The diet products of Herbalife: expensive and not good - For various reasons (not enough proteins, low energy value, too expensive), Test-Achats was always very critical with regard to the diet products of the Herbalife range. Their usefulness in weight control is far from proven.

The reasons for the ineffectiveness of Herbalife's diet treatment are the following: no education to better food practices, products are systematically hypocaloric with health risks, a medicalisation of the way of life by the absorption of special products, disproportionate price compared to results obtained. All the indices of an inadequate approach of the diet coincide to create doubt as to the effectiveness of these supposedly miracle products.

Herbalife, a multi-level-sales network

These last months, Test-Achats has scrupulously analysed the techniques used by the firm. The principal objective of the Herbalife system is to recruit new distributors who must work with a statute of independent. No direct sales to the consumer occur. The methods of recruitment and distribution are varied. However, lately, and in a very aggressive way, disguised "offers of employment" (insofar as Herbalife does not appear as such) flower on the Internet and in the "employment" columns and in free for all letter box distribution. "Budget et Droits" recently carried out a fully fledged investigation (B&D 175, July 2004).

Once attracted, the interested people must take part in training courses which are real brain washing operations. During these courses a distribution contract and a basic parcel (Business pack) are proposed for a sum of 100¬. However, at this stage, the sale of these products is not of primary importance. The supervisors and other members of the "PRESIDENT'S TEAM" are quick to make the trainees understand that in order to rise within the hierarchy they may find it very beneficial to purchase large volumes of products and resell them to other new distributors whom they will have had the good taste to recruit. The higher the level one reaches in the hierarchy, the higher the commissions and the no-claims bonus and the cheaper the purchase price of the products. Regularly, consumers approached to buy products are in fact pushed to become distributors themselves, for example, to obtain reductions on the price of the products for themselves or their family. But obviously the market soon becomes saturated, and the promotion and recruitment campaigns then become increasingly aggressive.

Test-Achats wants to put an end to these dangerous and illegal practices! Test-Achats reckons that the sales system founded by Herbalife is an infringement of article 84 of the law on trade practices.

All the signs of pyramidal sales are cumulated: each member of the network grows rich primarily thanks to the purchases made by the new recruit in a completely closed sales circuit. The most important benefits are obtained not by the sale to the ultimate consumer or by the royalties obtained on the sales of the hierarchically low distributors but by the sales being carried out in a closed circuit. The benefit is mainly due to the extension of the system and this is expressly forbidden by the law. The consumers' organisation has therefore recently instituted Court proceedings against Herbalife, in the form of an action in ceasing of trading under the terms of the law on trading practices.

Test Achats thus wants the law to be respected in the interest of consumers. These latter are too often exposed to such harmful practices. They are unfortunately influenced by unrealisable promises, and this in a precarious economic context where more and more consumers are the faced with financial difficulties and unemployment.




Aidid Mu'addib Responding to Another Blog Troll in Aididleaks

I'm an academician, and I prefer writing in English, because most of my references are in English. It'd be easier so that I wouldn't have to comprehend and then translate all those texts. But, hence comes the biggest hurdle in writing this blog - lots of Malay Kids are stupid cows, that can't understand simple English. So, I try to write so that most Malay kids would understand, but at times, English sentences would come out, because they express the issue at hand better. Anyway... only stupid cows would complain about the language I used, because what is more important is the message being conveyed.

H2DSelling Cow...
1. Kenapa tak puas hati dgn produk? Sebab ada org yg dah mati sebab liver cirrhosis, dan ramai yg kena poisoning di merata dunia selama >30 tahun sebab produk "herba" yang dikilang di Changsa dan Suzhou ni - nama aje herba, tapi dalamnya ada lead, ada bacteria, ada unregulated ingredient dan ntah apekejadahnya lagi. What do u expect? Herbalife is not a pharmaceutical company, it's a Mickey Mouse company that sells MLM system, and not a real company that is selling "strictly monitored" pharmaceutical products. It's all about the money boy. Wake up, stop eating shit all the time. Just because you're a cow, you cannot use ignorance as an excuse for being a cow.

2. Kenapa org Melayu macam ni? Don't ask stupid question when people try to educate you about reality. You should ask back the same question to yourself: "Kenapa anak org Melayu macam aku?" Senang sungguh kena kelentong dgn omputeh dan chayanunalip tak habis-habis. Sure they are laughing looking down at the Malays, because lots of Malays are stupid cows. You can feed them anything, and they will believe all the MLM company's grandmother story. Even when scientists and economists amongst the Americans say that Herbalife is a huge SCAM company, you still insist otherwise. Because? Cow eat plants and plants are herbs... so Herbalife is my thingy. Is that it?

3. Ha! Dah ada link tentang halal-haram pasal MLM - but why the cow routine? Macam dah ada laptop depan lembu, lembu tu buat sardin aje. Tak faham atau tak boleh baca? Tak boleh nak adapt dgn penerangan tu pada isu Herbalife? Pakar ekonomi di Amerika tu sendiri mengklasifikasikan Herbalife sebagai "pyramid-selling", dan lawsuit yg dimenangi oleh mangsa Herbalife berlaku sebab dia org dah buktikan elemen skim piramid dlm modus operandi Herbalife kat mahkamah. You, as a stupid cow wanna say otherwise? Seriously?

That is what I have been trying to tell you all in this article. I'm not giving you infos from Malaysia (because Malaysia has lots of useless cows), but infos from all over the world. But some still insist that the infos that they get from Herbalife representative or from their uplines are of better quality. I'm here to tell you - stop eating shit. Herbalife shit. Wake up from your sleep boy. Herbalife is about the money, from an MLM with pyramid-selling that grew from America and needs new countries to survive, and they have expanded to >70 countries, as we speak. It needs to creep to new market, because that is the only way it can survive. It's the nature of any MLM & pyramid-scheme style business. 
From Finland:
Case-Reports of Liver Toxicity Linked To 
Herbalife Dietary Supplements

As I’ve always promised to suppositorise their wares to the pyramid-marketing assclowns trying to peddle their soap and supplements, I had a moment of “I told you so” when I was reading this.

Magic pills don’t make you thinner. And the more magic pills you take the more you’re bound to get sick – and then you’ll be on a magic diet. Well, of course herbs cause effects on man. You can get high or you can get low or you can wake up dead – or with a squeaky liver. The iHealthBulletinNews blog writes:

A recent issue of the Journal of Hepatology reports on over 14 cases of acute hepatotoxicity in users of in Israel and Switzerland. The researchers found it difficult to interpret the findings as they could not ascertain the exact composition of the proprietary formulas, the composition of which can even vary from country to country. Thus, they could not state definitively whether or not the weight loss supplements caused the liver injury, but they thought it important to warn the public that herb-induced severe liver injury might be more common than previously thought. It is interesting to note that 10 cases of hepatotoxicity implicating Camellia sinensis [ed - tea, such as in green tea extract] have been reported also.

Ah, so in Finland all medicine must go through arduous testing and its ingredients listed and it can only be sold at a pharmacy. But as “herbal extracts” are not “medicine” but “foodstuffs” they don’t have to be pre-screened. So next time you go popping in a pill, do ask yourself do you believe in marketing or knowledge?

Injuries Due To Herbalife And Other Dietary Supplements

Tests done on a number of Herbalife products, as well as many others, have confirmed the presence of lead, a heavy metal, that is known to cause cancer and birth defects. Additional comtaminants include arsenic, cadmiun and bacteria. If you believe that as a result of your consumption of Herbalife products or any other dietary supplement you sustained an injury, please contact a health professional, and do all the appropriate investigations.

Lead Poisoning associated with food supplement such as in Herbalife products may give rise to insidious symptoms that persist over a long period of time. Symptoms of Lead Poisoning may be hard to detect at first. The accumulation of lead usually is gradual, building up unnoticed until levels become dangerous and cause signs and symptoms. The signs and symptoms of lead poisoning are nonspecific and may include: 
- Irritability
- Loss of appetite
- Weight loss
- Sluggishness
- Abdominal pain
- Vomiting
- Constipation
- Unusual paleness (pallor) from anemia
- Learning difficulties
- Pain, numbness or tingling of the extremities muscular weakness
- Headache
- Memory loss
- Mood disorders
- Reduced sperm count, abnormal sperm.

To those taking Herbalife or similar products, be aware.


Six Dietary Supplements Sold By Herbalife Ltd
Contain Dangerous Amounts Of Lead

The Fraud Discovery Institute posted a letter on its website on Monday attributed to Christopher Grell, an attorney in Oakland, California, specializing in product liability. The letter said that recommended daily doses of six Herbalife products contained levels of lead that are dangerous and in excess of what California law allows under its Safe Drinking and Toxic Environment Act of 1994.

The law requires businesses to warn consumers if their products contain chemicals known to cause cancer or reproductive toxicity. An explanation of the law can be found on the website of California's Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment at: California Law.
 
The six products mentioned in the letter on the Fraud Discovery Institute website are the ShapeWorks Protein Drink Mix, Healthy Meal Nutritional Shake Mix, Tang Kuei Plus herbal tablets, Thermojetics Nature's Raw Guarana instant tea mix, ShapeWorks Cell Activator and Multivitamin Complex.

The letter posted on Monday on the Fraud Discovery Institute website urged California to order Herbalife to place "clear and reasonable warnings on these products so that the consumer is informed that these products contain chemicals known to cause developmental harm." Grell said in an interview on Monday that individual tablets may not exceed California's 0.5 microgram limit on lead in dietary supplements, but he said the daily recommended dosage would result in lead exposure large enough to warrant a warning label.

A document purported to be an invoice from Analytical Laboratories in Anaheim Inc, based in Brea, California, for $5,820 for testing the six products was posted on Fraud Discovery's website. Analytical Laboratories did not reply to calls and an e-mail to discuss any tests.

Last month, Herbalife said that Spain's Ministry of Health had issued an alert cautioning consumption of Herbalife products due to suspicious cases of hepatic toxicity, or liver damage, presumably associated with Herbalife products.

Taken from LiveStrong.com - The Lance Armstrong Foundation.
THE DANGERS OF HERBALIFE

Herbalife is a brand of popular herbal weight loss supplements that has come under controversy for its use of stimulants and other questionable ingredients. The brand is marketed and sold through a multilevel marketing system (MLM) in which individual sales representatives recruit others to both sell and consume the product. Herbalife has been investigated by the FDA for claiming that some products dissolve and remove tumors, rejuvenate, increase circulation and produce mental alertness.

Exposure to Toxic Lead Levels
Herbalife products came under scrutiny in 2008 for containing toxic levels of lead, as defined by California's Safe Drinking and Toxic Environment Act of 1994. When taken as directed, two of the company's more popular supplements exposed consumers to 8.5 and 12 times the the maximum recommended daily exposure to lead levels, according to The Fraud Files Blog, an online forensic accounting and fraud commentary website. High levels of lead can compromise the human nervous system and cause brain damage, anemia and other serious disorders. It can also result in death.

Dangers Associated with Ephedra
Many Herbalife products contained notable amounts of ephedrine and ephedrine alkaloids prior to a ban on the use of ephedra in the United States. This ban remains controversial and has been contested by some dietary supplement manufacturers. The result of this challenge meant that small amount of ephedra could be included in herbal and dietary supplements. The FDA has linked ephedra to cardiac arrest and strokes in otherwise young and healthy individuals. Other possible side effects of ephedra exposure include hypertension, insomnia, high blood pressure and other forms of heart disease.

High-Caffeine Content
Many Herbalife products contain caffeine as a metabolism booster. Caffeine can contribute to sleeplessness, nervousness, restlessness and other conditions associated with stimulants. BlogHealthyDiet.com also notes that some people may experience an allergic reaction to caffeine, and advises that you check the ingredients on any Herbalife product you may be using for this and other allergens.

Shellfish and Protein Allergies
If you are allergic to concentrated proteins, you may experience negative side effects from Herbalife products. High levels of protein can upset the body's ability to process protein. Some Herbalife products also contain shellfish, and may cause an allergic reaction as well.


Amirul said...
Rajin tol Aidid Mu'addib copy paste ye..jangan amek fakta orang je, wat fakta sendiri..kan bangga ngan fakta korang tu..btw korang ni xde keje lain ke? asyik menghadap laptop, dok merapu meriban mencaci ntah pape...dosa beb dosa..tu anak bini tu, gi la luang masa ngan diorg semua..peace bro

Aidid Mu'addib said...
Bingai dol... Fakta sendiri? Are you on ganja or chasing the dragon, boy? Nak fakta kejadahnya macamana lagik? Fakta drpd medical centers dan universiti pun tak laku ke dol? Ko nak fakta jenis apa? Jenis fakta yg budak tadika pun boleh faham, gitu? Tak dapek nak tolong doh... Kalau dah bahalol tahap lombu, humban masuk lombong tingga ajo la, lagi elok. Kalau idup ngabih boreh buek apo?

Anyway, bak sini aku cite sket dik pasal keje aku. Today I made about what a factory technician made in a month. Aku melepak depan Mac sepanjang hari, layan troll yg dungu dan bahalol tahap cipan... dan share ilmu dgn bebudak yg nak dgr cakap tentang sains dan maths. Macamana tu? Aku study rajin2 dulu, aku masuk U, aku kasi govt service sebaik mungkin 4-5 tahun, dan aku resign buat keje sendiri. Now, I'm doing OK dgn izin Allah - blog ni keje "pro bono" aku utk org Melayu. I don't get a single cent dol, while lembu Herbalife dan lain2 MLM kat luar sana jadi parasite sebok mencari mangsa utk di "lead poisoning" kan bagai nak rak... dan bila dapat rezeki buat bzns mungkar sebegini, dia orang tak lupa pulak cakap "syukur, alhamdulillah". Real fucking assholes. You a fucking asshole like those MLMers, boy?


I think there's a difference, if you're smart enough to notice. If not, no surprise there. Akhir kata (yg pertama), jgn jadi parasite MLM sejak dari kecik, dah tua nanti jadi lanun dan penyamun dan sampah masyarakat. Menyusahkan org idup saban hari nak buat apa? Biar la bersopan-santun sekali pun. Kalau dah sampah tu, sampah jugak. 


Yo bingai.... Capische?



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xukse said...

wooo yoooo 1st

maverick said...

second...woohooooo....

izzNatta said...

Oicc ada extra toxicity info....

"Herbalife, Sells But Weeds And Illusions"

erkkkk.. should we call them "Herballusionist" or "Weedollusionist" or "SelloWeedollusionist"

Azie_Jamaludin said...

4th??

HL sucks...tu je nk cakap..

http://aniesandyou.blogspot.com said...

top 4? hahaha..sama la nnt cam liverpoolfc..di akhir sizen nnt...

nk bc jap pastu komen!

katakbiru said...

alaaa..
x dapat 1st :((
top ten pon jadi la..

ainShahajar said...

penah cuba dulu
badan memang rasa lemah.. tak bermaya pun

woi.. nak kuwus guna cara biasa la
betul2 punya makanan.. bukan shake2, pill2 macam ni

berjaya dgn cara biasa~ haha.. and enjoy dgn food saye

blogger addict said...

hahaha....herbalife pun ada....penaja barcelona tue..

http://aniesandyou.blogspot.com said...

smbg komen:

kurus tp berpenyakit x guna jg. bli product ni, of coz buang $$. bla skt, kuar $$ lg. da lek lok sihat, sengaja cr penyakit..pekehal?

(alhamdulillah, w'pn x sekeping cam posh beckham tu, ttp bangga sbb dikurniakan kesihatan yg baik)

Rose said...

Yes, Extra info, boleh post kat fb

Azie_Jamaludin said...

bro AM..

not sure if you had already mention about this 'sixtyninez academy'...but..just in case...

ade mamat bg pamphlet about this thingy time shopping kat pasar malam tadi...for me..sekali imbas merasakan mende alah ni adalah adik-beradik MLM/pyramid scheme...but xde produk dan sy sendiri xpasti ianya apa...

curious..so tanye pakcik google td..http://www.majalah.com/?classified:rahsia-suri-rumah-jana-pendapatan-5-angka-sebulan:6KJLW445GY

mamat tu kate ramai bebudak and staf Uniform Kilo Mike join..haish...entahlah...semua muka melayu plak tu kat pamphlet ni...

just nak tau apekejadahmenatangni...sekian

cek chun said...

waiting for the trolls..
teh ais siappp!!!!

Latifah said...

yahahaha... saje nak letak komen.
sebab nak tengok bape juta komen lak untuk entri ni...
^_^

~jom bersenam naik tangga hari-hari untuk kesihatan~

Laila said...

Posh Becks ok aper...


*Sesambil letak extra straw kat lam teh ais cek chun & tunggu trolls sesama *


ps Trolls lam bahasa melayu apa ah?

Aidid Mu'addib said...

Azie...
Sixtyninez-wateva ni adalah kejadah Ads4Faks yg dah tertinggal bas ekspress - tapi masih mahu mengencing org ramai buat skim piramid yg ini melalui angle lain. Ditujukan khas utk mereka yg masih tak tahu pasal skim piramid Ads4Bucks yg ada kad plastik yg diperbuat drpd hampeh volcano yg boleh kasi sehat tubuh badan dan kasi ikan dlm akuarium idup 50 tahun.

hyelbaine said...

As a famous Canadian stand-up comedian of Indian origin likes to say, somebody gonna get hurt realllll badddddd

Will the trolls come on their high horse and preach religious blabber again?

ps: word verification is ducks. Lame ducks = lame trolls?

Azie_Jamaludin said...

bro AM

he3...okeh..just nk confirmation dari pakar je..

tengkiuuuu...

Laila said...

Russell Peters?? He's a riot!lol

cek chun said...

laila,

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum

ehh.in bahasa eh.. google translate je lah.. :p

osip said...

wohooo....here we go..

melekat name joejambul kat dia..haha

Rose said...

eh, trolls ada extravaganza ke tahapa tu... tu yang sepi jer, kan saturday nite.... yeah baby yeah! (pinjam sat word fav. Aidid)

azwan said...

I am 100% comprehend your points, Aidid. Waiting for the trolls.

TQ

hyelbaine said...

@ Laila,

Spot on. I don't think the trolls are at some xtravaganza but huddled in some roadside mamak thinking what to spam this blog with ;)

joegrimjow said...

ku tekan ctrl + f cari pub med, so xde, malas nak baca

jumpa FDI - nah baca sini. buat malu je did post pasal fdi ni
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Industry/More-lead-testing-confirms-product-safety-says-Herbalife

eh 1 lagi, thanks a lot ya =)

Herbalife - Did they really eat shit? -12,139 Pageviews

joegrimjow said...

rindu kat rose and azwan

azwan said...

Joe Bingai,
Ko paham ke article tu? ko ni aku tgk jenis yg excited sgt dgn tajuk, tapi kefahaman zero.

cek chun said...

pub med boleh cari kat sini ker??
orang2 biasa boleh access pubmed ker??

congrate joe, mencanak la duit nuff hg..

joegrimjow said...

Herbalife has also stressed that its products are in accordance with FDA regulations, which are not always the same as Proposition 65 guidelines. This discrepancy has led to the Californian rule being criticized for creating a two-tier system that only creates confusion for both business and consumers alike.

Proposition 65 has also been criticized as being a law that is open to exploitation via the rift it creates with federal rules. One legal firm said the law was open to exploitation by "litigation bounty hunters".

Herbalife implied that FDI had ulterior financial motives for the allegations. It said that the group's founder, Barry Minkow, "admits profiting from 'puts' on Herbalife stock".

Indeed, Reuters reported in May that Minkow had invested in Herbalife in such a way that if its shares went down, which they did, he stood to make substantial gains.

Minkow served more than seven years in prison for fraud, said Reuters.


tolong translate ayat last tu

Laila said...

@ Baine bro...speak of da devil, ze troll iz in da hauz.


ps Am gonna sit back & enjoy da wayang kulit. Hilangkan boring after special guest balik.

joegrimjow said...

cek chun - haah, baru dapat review nokia e7 sebab traffic mencanak. thx kepada bro aidid jugak. dapat nokiae7 freeeee =)

Rose said...

Imej : ikan lumba-lumba

To report tahun 2008.

Rose said...

tu, not to. update infola joe. bosan.

azwan said...

What about this, fuck?

In response to an inquiry by NutraIngredients-USA.com, Eurofins said it was unable to provide further information or clarification on the testing it undertook, as this was confidential. Covance would not comment.

Your reference carry zero weight..
Better go back to school boy, and do some engineering stuff. jgn buat malu mak bapak!

Latifah said...

haaa.. dah start.
boleh layan komen sepanjang malam ni sambil buat kerja.

\(^_^)/

~tuan rumah dan rakan-rakan jangan marah ye~

cek chun said...

Hahahahaha adoihhhhh la joe.

Ehh ko nak cari apa kat pubmed yg tak jumpa-jumpa tu

hyelbaine said...

@ Joe,

Wow, kau ada access ker pubmed yek? How long have you been practicing? Are you a normal GP or are you specialized in a particular field?

Minkow served more than seven years in prison for fraud, said Reuters.


tolong translate ayat last tu


Translation dia bermaksud whatever it is, jgn percaya kat Yahudi. Tak kira lah Yahudi bangsa macam mana pun.

Azie_Jamaludin said...

@rose

hahahaha....melekat imej ikan lumba-lumba tu ek...

azwan said...

Hmm....let me get this straight..

Joe, budak hingusan 21 tahun, grad engineering, baru nak blaja hidup, trying to excel in MLM fuck up stuff, zero knowledge in medical line, no experience at all, don't know how to interpret medical journal, not even used with medical jargons...

Then..trying to defend Herbalife products?????? I don't get it...

joegrimjow said...

Work has started in China on a state-of-the-art extraction facility for botanical extracts, powders and pure compounds for use in nutrition products, according to dietary supplements supplier, Herbalife.
John DeSimone, the company’s chief financial officer told NutraIngredientsUSA.com: “The new extraction plant will produce botanical extracts including teas, guarana, chamomile, broccoli and bilberry, among others, for use in many of our products.”


The facility is a joint venture with NatSource Chemicals.

Manufacturing facilities

The facility will buy botanicals directly from farms in Hunan province and other regions, he added. “The plant will perform extraction and other conversion processes and then send these processed raw materials directly to our manufacturing facilities in Suzhou, China and Lake Forest, California or to our third party manufacturers throughout the world.”

The company uses botanicals in many of its nutrition products, including Herbal Tea Concentrate,

18 oct 2010


nak jaga kualiti punya pasal

cek chun said...

Laaaa.patut joe kata cari kat pubmed tak jumpa.

Bila type herbalife je jumpa
-liver damage caused by food supplement
-acute liver injury induced by weight-loss herbal supplement
-hepatotoxicity associated with the use of herbalife

Aah la joe. Memang la tak jumpa yg baik pasai herbalife kat sini. Jap yer k chun search lagi kot-kot jumpa

Aidid Mu'addib said...

Study the issue of that Minkow guy carefully. Contohnya, kalau sorang penyamun bawak berita bahawa si JoeJambol mmg IQ tahap lembu... ko takleh nak deny info dia just becos dia seorang penyamun. There's always some other issue you need to investigate.

But, Minkow issue is an added side-show, they are bigger things up there, which only unlearned cows feel happy not to investigate further. Apekejadah yg suka sgt nak defend org Mormon alkafirun buat pyramid-selling - now that is a big issue. Apekehenye nak telan pil da jus drpd buatan org mainland China utk masuk badan sendiri atau emak sendiri, di luar drpd fitrah kejadian manudia yg idup dlm dunia ni - now, that's an issue.

Apa2 benda yg produce kat kilang mesti ada kes toxicity, bukan shj Herbalife. Skrg aku tanya korang - ada manusia dlm dunia ni dapat toxicity drpd buah2an dan sayur2an segar ke tak? Why people keep insisting to trust other humans to feed them with chemicals, I will never understand (sure I understand - but no fun)... tak percaya Allah punya produk ke?

http://aniesandyou.blogspot.com said...

setakat cokia tu...pe nk heran..len la iPad 2.. lom ada kt market hang da dpt dulu..


p/s mmm ayat2 kopipes lg?

joegrimjow said...

did, kalau ko boleh tunjuk kes minkow kat aku apa kesudahannya, aku sangat hargai. kalau btol die xsalah, prove it.

ko kan tak banyak kerja. aku banyak kerja lagi nak kuruskan dan naikkan,berat orang ni

cek chun, xpower la u nak sinis2. kena banyak berlatih dengan rose dan azwan lagi =)

hyelbaine said...

Until the product goes through the relevant clinical tests, manufacture kat planet gorgon pun no point. Why would anyone eat/drink something that is not made by the Almighty if it is not tested not to be harmful to a normal human being. Cow's not included though....

azwan said...

"nak jaga kualiti punya pasal"

Bebal punya budak, tu bukan nak jage kualiti la bai..tu utk save cost. nak bagi cost effective, so manufacture kat China. Dan SFDA punya requirement tak stringent mcm kat US dan Europe. Simple outsource bai. Kos buat kat China 7 times lower than in US/Europe.

Naive sgt ko ni bai..budak remains budak..senang2 HerbaLife tipu ko ek..

Aku tak cakap kosong bai, business partner aku dari mainland China. Selok belok aku tau bai..

joegrimjow said...

cikgu bertanya "apa pegangan hang sebagai seorang programmer?" azwan membalas "saya percaya bahawa mata, mulut, telinga, dan segala yg wujud dalam dunia ini telah diprogramkan oleh Allah.. jadi segala data pasti diketahui olehNya" cikgu terus tunduk dan berselawat tenangkan diri..

tido dlu, esok nak gerak ke KL. doakan perjalanan selamat ya

Aidid Mu'addib said...

I dunno about you guys, tapi kalau ada barang makanan dikilang di China atau mana2 negara alkafirun, aku tak kan sanggup telan atau kasi anak bini aku makan... tak kesah la ada cop HALAL sebesar gajah kat kotak pembungkusnya. Gilos...

azwan said...

Hahahahha..

Loser. Budak, aku harap ko akan sedar bila ko dah gagal. kalau dah terduduk nyesal nanti, jgn lama2 sgt. cepat2 bangun. Typical loser mcm ko ni too stuck up dgn dakyah MLM, which is a common scenario for me.

cek chun said...

hehehehe tak power ehh.
Padan la dengan kerjaya sebagai tukang mop.tu je la yg mampu aku buat.

Bukti dah belambak orang tempek, baca la, ambik hadam.

azwan said...

Ceh, dia merendahkan ko cek chun..

Ko tgkla budak2 zaman skarang. ingat dah pande sgt lah. dia tak sedar tu level dia camne dan cakap dgn sape. apo nak jadikla bdk2 ni..

Eiii...kalau anak aku...aku dah pegang kepala, goncang2 kasi paham!

Abu Huzaifah said...

memalukan kaum2 engineer

Rose said...

correction : Joe is not an engineer anymore (dia dah kerja full time with herbalife, kalay x silap). So, nama engineers tak tercemar.

Chun, ko power la. Tu yang dia saje nak sakitkan hati ko tu..

azwan said...

Dia belum tau langit tinggi rendah. Nanti dia tau la.

Abu Huzaifah said...

lah,yeke,nasib baik

cek chun said...

It's ok
Kalau dia samakan level aku dengan ko n rose, gila kembang bontot aku malam ni.

Aku ni math spm pun failed. Hehe

Azie_Jamaludin said...

@joegrimjow

make sure dtg sini balik next year eh...kengkawan sy yg joinT HL ni paling kuat bertahan setahun je...

nnt cite la ap jadi eh...next year...tingiiiiiin sgt nak tau...yelah...kot2 time tu dh jd millionaire...leh dtg cite kat kengkawan sy kenapa dorang gagal...ea..ea...

SaZs AxL said...

klako la ko joejambul..aritu komen aku kt blog ko x jwb2 lg..

nmpk sgt ko x jwb langsung psl isu sebenar:
i)herbalife same taraf ngn placebo
ii)several studies in a few countries published in medical jurnal that established connection btw herbalife n liver disease
iii)kaitan herbalife ngn skim piramid

yg mamat minkow tu gk ko dok repeat2..agak2 tu kot yg upline ko dok ajar time seminar..

anyway..xde pon makhluk2 kt sini nk harap ko insaf..ktrng buat sume ni so org2 camko failed miserably fooling around wif ppl's hope n money.every words u left here ll exposed mor of ur ignorance n naivety..

efa said...

aidid can u just please remove JoeJambul's comments? They almost make me puke. I cant tolerate his level of stupidity anymore.

Bluwek.

Laila said...

Joejambul nyer komen memang ala2 bertata tertib but with condescension & maliciousness.

azwan said...

Ui...don't remove. no trolls no fun.

Laila said...

efa , kalu remove nanti orang tak tau kepoyoan & kepundekkan dia.

SaZs AxL said...

plz dun remove..he thinks he's the smartest 1 becoz he studies in sheffield..but ppl can judge juz by reading his comment..let him make a fool of himself

azwan said...

SaZs AxL,
Dia tak jawab sebab dia tak tahu cara nak jawab camner. dia bergantung sepenuhnya pada google, wiki, upline, dll. While we, with our knowledge and experience, we don't have to do that. Its tip of our finger. Kalau kita cakap camtu, dia kata kita takbur, riak, Allah lagi Maha Mengetahui. Memang la..takde sape deny tuh. chettt

Rose said...

Personally, I think it's good to hear Joe Jambul's (or other trolls) comments, because we can know what the Herbalife people are thinking and what are their strategies to win people over. Nanti kalau jumpa member2 yang terjebak or nak terjebak, we have some counter attacks ready. The trolls that I can't stand are the ones that attack membuta tuli without any facts...
Though I do agree with Laila, Joe is toxic! I think it's because he think he is better than most people and is a cocky fellow.

ainShahajar said...

hmmm
bukan senang nak ekstrak menda2 dari tumbuhan.. macam joe tulis kat atas tu. tumbuhan kot!!

sebab aku tgh dok estrak kesum nih.. ade aku nak makan hasil 'extraction' aku.. no no...

anggap mereka memang betul2 nak ekstrak kompaun2 dalam tumbuhan tu.. semulajadi kata mereka.. (macam nutrilite buat jugak..)

untuk ekstrak.. -bahan2 yg dia guna untuk ekstrak tu.. biasabnya 80% TAK SELAMAT.

ekstrak kompaun2 yg baik untuk badan.. tapi metod nya.. belum tentu selamat untuk manusia..

mereka, sorokkan metod yg tak selamat tu.. serlahkan kebaikan kompaun yg dah diekstrak.. -pandai tipu orang..

itupun kalo betol ekstrak le.. mane tahu just rebus je macam nenek2 jamu tu je..

bukan mudah nak ekstrak satu demi satu.. nak optimasi pun makan masa setahun untuk satu metod

cek chun said...

Alahai joe, dok pi mintak maap kat blog aku wat gapo. Aishhhh
Mana de aku marah pun..

Ariko said...

so damn pathetic to see these Malaysian (adi adid aidid ke? oh wotsoever and his follower) with typical Malay minded! Nothing much can say other than MALAY always have jealousy demeanor!

azwan said...

Betul ainShahajar,

Dia ingat extract ni macam mesin buat air tebu. Hooooo...extraction and purification, its very sophisticated process. The chinese can produce it, I know..but the quality is doubtful.

But you don't even have to think. look at HL product's label. there is no pure extract. fucker HL memang kencing giler2!

osip said...

jangan delete...ni la bukti2 yg joe ni bingai..

seriously joe, kalau nak banding ngn troll2 lain, ko ni grad oversea..tapi kenape mindset ko FAIL TERUK? tak macam orang byk fikir..tapi byk mencapub..eh byk bcakap je..habuk takda

azwan said...

Budak Ariko,
Ko nak cakap sini, better prepare your facts. jgn cakap pastu blah..warning numero uno..!

Laila said...

Sapo pulok Ariko ni? New terol in town?

Latifah said...

dah mai dah...

sis Laila and bro azwan, leh tengok kat blog dia... hehe... baru je melawat tadi...

osip said...

wakakaka,tak jeles pon..tak hingin aku jadi bodoh macam orang MLM weh..

azwan said...

Dah tgk, bini Joe.

Latifah said...

aishhh... benarkah?
hahaha... gelak guling-guling...

~abis ilmu aku baca tadi~
;P

osip said...

patutla ariko ni butthurt..die org HL..tgk blog dia, sekilas terus nampak dietshake HL..terus aku tutup..terganggu eh bisness tu sbab blog ni

Laila said...

Oh bini Joe..belajar kat Hengland gak ker..

SaZs AxL said...

it's mor pathetic to see Malay youth been brainwashed to scam their own kind..kalo ko nk sgt ckp psl Melayu..gi jual produk scam ko kt kaum lain rr..dh terang2 org bg bukti bende ko bwat tu salah

hyelbaine said...

I find it funny how people think they know about the world but far from it. I know I've said before that age is just a number and doesn't show maturity but Joe is on a one cow quest to prove me wrong.

Joe bercakap pasal pubmed mcm dia tau pubmed tuh menatang apa.

Joe bercakap pasal ekonomi tapi aku rasa kalau tak tanya sat lagi konpen tak terjawab. Sama ngan Ravi dgn sapa tah nama sorang lagi.

Joe bercakap pasal China business operations padahal entah China pun tak pernah sampai apatah lagi understand why the West are queuing up to setup factories there.

And then you have the Ariko. Datang jer terus membebel menunjukkan tahap 'kepandaian' dia. Tunggu lar, kejap lagi start kutuk blog owner and readers kat sini. Bila dah panas lepas tuh start ckp agama tak suruh mencarut. Last2 nanti ulang balik first komen dia pasal dengki.

Lepas tuh hilang.....

azwan said...

Budak2 bangang baru lepas sekolah, gitu ler. dia ingat kita ni semua negative thinking, takde kerja, takde life. Typical la dah kena brainwash. Jeles? Jeles dgn budak hingusan yg baru nak hidup mcm dorang ni? Hahaha fuck off..

cek chun said...

Well done mr cone man,
U summarize it very well

suamirose said...

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2010-10/14/content_11409581.htm

sayang, dah2 la tu, peluk ipad je, meh peluk abang pulak meh

Laila said...

Baine bro, tulah boleh predict diorang nyer next move...memang MLM bizs ada acuan sama nak mould bakal2 bankorup ni..tu yg spesen jer

Azie_Jamaludin said...

ariko

so damn pathetic to see these Malaysian (ari-ari ke arigato ke? oh wotsoever and her HL biznes) with typical Malay minded! Nothing much can say other than MALAY like yourself always have jealousy demeanor!...towards people who actually concern about other MALAY.

ainShahajar said...

oo.. penah jumpa boss tahap president ape ntah.. 'kata dia semua ni saintis2 kat USA tu ekstrak tulen.. betahun2 nak dapat ni. sebab tu kualiti tinggi, nutrisi lengkap'

student macam aku laa slalu kene tipu.. yg satu generasi dgn joe n ariko tu

nenekazwan said...

cucu-cucu nenek dah tidur ke semuanya?

Razali said...
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azwan said...

Hahaha..as usual moron just came back from lrg haji taib, mengemis jus kordi.

nenekazwan said...

tidur cu, tidur

Rose said...

@ suamirose,

what does building factory in china has to do with anything? nape, kalau bina factory besar it means that produk berquality?

oh, by d way, my husband is not as dimwitted as u.

azwan said...

Hhahahhaha...Rose, kite ade peminat baru. Aku ingat Aidid je kena benda bangang camni...

Azrul said...

Da bc blog ariko nie..

Lol.. samekan aidid ngan najis muhalazah siot..

ntah la.. kat mane lak MLM nie betul.. amik duit org jer.. org yg last gak ngaga.. bgtau sket lau MLM nie xtipu org.. 'soklan utk laki bini'

pakcik kordi.. soklan lame dulu xjwp lagik.. lau xder, jwp jela xder.. kan senang.. xyah la pusing² tmpt laen..

Word Verification - gleong ?? gilor...

suamirose said...

Next year, we'll spend $8 million on the first phase to start the facility, and $20 to $25 million over the next five years,"

Aidid Mu'addib said...

It's been quite some time that I had wanted to say/ask this...
not that I ever read juvenile crappy deluded stuff there...
Why would you put up a BIG BIG sign for your blog with the title like -
"IT'S ALL ABOUT JOURNEYS"?
Isn't it supposed to be something like...
IT"S ALL ABOUT THE JOURNEY
or... IT"S THE JOURNEY
or... THE JOURNEY IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT
or... IT"S ALL ABOUT SHIT
or... IT"S A BLOODY CRAP OF A JOURNEY AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT
Aku tak buat TESL btw... but I think I had learned enough in school not to make an ass of myself... in BOLD LETTERS no less, for thousands of people to see every single day. Apa yg beribu followers tu semua sama dungu English jugak ke? Wadefak la bebudak Melayu ni? Kalau tak sure, takde salah cakap Melayu what... feel free to put up signs in Malay. Nothing wrong with it. Duduk Sheffield kejadahnya? Singular, plural, noun, verb, past tense, past participle... hancus!
You guys know what I'm talking about here?

azwan said...

Ariko wrote...

Dek tersebarnya najis mukhallazah ni, sume yang memegang dan ingin memegang sutera tersebut cabut lari!
Yela, mesti pikir jugak kan, cmanelaa seekor B**I bole naik kat sutera tu dan letakkan najis dier?

Hanya Allah Yang Maha Mengetahui..

Hm...such a bitch. same level mcm Joe.

cek chun said...

Tektik serangan terbaru. Hehehe
Bang aidid, dia tidoq kot masa dalam kelas

awekaidid said...

dear, blog dia tu pernah masuk harakah. mengarut betollah harakah pun pergi jaja nama blog budak grammar pun tunggang langgang

http://www.harakahdaily.net/v2/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=28086:sepagi-bersama-tuan-guru-haji-hadi&catid=102:terbaik-dari-blog&Itemid=136

Rose said...

Yes, Azwan, terasa agak glamer..

En. Razali, kalau you pakai jaibreak, then, I know definitely what type of person you are. Takde rights and wrongs.

Herbalife ppl - go back to your manuals, update them and then get back to us. Just saying Herbalife are building factories, spending money - it really just shows how much money the top managements are making and using you drones. Not impressive.

azwan said...

Hhahahahaa!!
This is childish. Anytime Aidid can delete the post. Kerja bdk2 bangang..

Rose said...

Whatda ya expect from a bunch of kids? But I have to tell you, it's kinda fun, cam bermain dengan ikan lumba-lumba.

awekaidid said...

watch out your mouth azwan!!

my dear takkan delete sebarangan, nanti orang tuduh dia k**e takde. my dear punya...... besarrrrr

nenekazwan, ajak azwan tidur.

cek chun said...

Biaq je la wan..
Tak tidoq aku malam ni. Hahaha

Razali said...
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Rose said...

Cik Li, that's what lite-apps are for, to try stuffs, pastu kalau nak beli.

azwan said...

Yola, dok layan budak2 yg memalukan mak bapak ni, merendahkan level aku je. Terselit jugak si zali kordi, budak2 herbalife ni patut try product dia.

Kui..kui..kui. mane MsAwin? At least got some points to discuss..

Rose said...

Aidid, just came across a company called Go Cell, nampak dodgy jer. Anybody knows anything about this company?

Razali said...
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cek chun said...

Cik li, ckap melayu la, rose paham aihh

Razali said...
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Aidid Mu'addib said...

Razali... cakap Melayu sudaaaaah

Rose,
Go Cell - skim piramid berproduk, dgn produknya yg itu-itu jugak.
Dgn 8 jenis bonus yg akan mengayakan org yg kat atas piramid.
Go Geous - as in gorgeous probably,
Selebrity Die'te - as in Celebrity Diet... possibly.

I'm an English language teacher tonite... and I'm boiling over!

It's like there's the time when this new Sunway housing project
called the "Sunway South Quay" was launched - A Lakeside Metropolis katanya...
Where would you find a QUAY in the middle of a city?
Quay is a wharf on a shore.... SEASHORE!
It's a dock for ships to load and unload their cargos... what the hell?

cek chun said...

Nah ambik pen merah bang.
Kasi bulat besar-besar
Hehehe

Razali said...
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Rose said...

Thanks, Aidid. My photographer friend took some pics for the company and posted on fb. The first pic made me suspicious, a lady in front of a BMW, and the next pic was a group of people probably the top managements with jackets and ties in front of their building. Typical MLM leeches!

LittleLady said...

pelik sungguh budak2 ni.. bercakap seolah2 macam dialah pakar nutrisi walhal takde ilmu pun. cuma dapat turun berat badan je adakah itu dah menjadikan anda pakar / konsultan nutrisi.. sungguh memalukan menggelar diri anda konsultan pemakanan. cehh..

agaknya kalau join jadi ahli HL ni terus jadi certified nutritionist ka? macam ala2 doc mickey mouse pulak.. but this time around nutritionist mickey mouse n fren..

slk said...

Joegrimjaw.. bukan ichigo dah bunuh lu ka keh keh keh pakai nama setan....pacik razali and joe aku ingat 2 mahkluk ni kena baca fatwa kaum beruk @ kereta mayat 50X kalu x paham gak 2 mahluk ni memang tergolong dalam kaum tu....keh keh keh...

Aidid Mu'addib said...

Razali... cakap Melayu sudaaaaah

Bawang Besar said...

It's all about money. Tu baru betol tajuk blog joe. Buat blog, boh segala iklan yang ade, sume untuk dapat duit. Join herbalife, tipu orang sana-sini, dapat duit lagi. Dok komen blog orang, buat entry counter(macam rubbish jek) kat blog sendiri, banyak orang hit, dapat duit lagi. It's all about money.

Joe,joe. Cukup-cukup la. Orang-orang kat sini nak sedarkan ko, nak bagitau apa yang tak betol. Tapi, ko counter pulak kan. Cara ko counter tu, nampak sangat ko ni xde ilmu. Orang macam ni, lebihkurang macam study kat kolej cokia kat chow kit jek, buat malu orang-orang yang blaja kat UK jek.respek sape yg ko nak pun,aku tak tahulah..bdk2 blum kluar uni mungkinlah..org yg educated dan faham psl health mmg mengekek ketawakan ko skarang..aku serious tak paham kenapa tak cukup ilmu tp berani nak berdebat camni..

Tapi joe, kalau memang tujuan hidup ko adalah duit, money, pitih, orang lain cakap camane pun, takkan jalan punye. Go kejar duit ko, but please, jangan hanyutkan orang-orang lain. Bengong btol la. And please, stop la bagi mak ko makan bende alah herbalife ni. Ini ikhlas cakap,kalau betul2 nak jaga kesihatan dia,buy her fresh fruits and vege,boil her water for her to drink..why risk her health? ni liver toxicity nii..damn serious..if only ko nampakla camane seksa org yg sakit liver failure nih..i bet u ko takkan berani bg dia telan mende ni.. ye,mmg ko tak pecaye kat PubMed segala(sbb ko tak paham apakah itu PubMed dan kegunaannye dan berdegil lagi refuse utk faham),tp lepas baca ni sume seriously ko nak lg bg mak ko mkn sume2 ni??..kalau ko nk mkn smpai 30thn pun,mknlah..but don't give it to her..

Ko ni mmg da kene brainwash sangat-sangat ni. Taktau la ape ubat yang abang-abang and akak-akak kat blog aidid ni bole bagi untuk sembuhkan ko,bagi ko terang hati..

cek chun said...

Slk, joe peminat keretamayat ler

uculer said...

Aku kadang-kadang kesian sbnrnya dgn org MLM ni. Ada iPad nak jailbreak? Bai, ckp bisnes bagus, apsal jailbreak? Aku yang tak buat 'bisnes bagus' (kata pak kordi) ni pun tak jailbreak iPad aku. Beli je la kalau menggigil sgt nak beli apps tu. And i believe, for MLMers, beli apps tu kan investment? Apa sgt la nk charge kat credit card tu.

It shows your level you know when you do all that, en razali. Ke tak paham? Saya ajar english jugak, sejam boleh runding tapi demi encik razali, saya mintak teh ais je segelas.

Who cares about proper English? I do encik razali, i don't know about others. Aku tak kesah pun kalau kau ckp salah tapi nak belajar bbut looking at your comments, ha inilah dia org ckp '____ tak boleh nak ajar'. Isi lah tempat kkosong tu sendiri.

Honestly, malu aku dgn encik razali ni. Makcik dekat kawasan umah aku ni, anak tiga, dia sanggup nak belajar English. Guided dekat Perhentian speaks better English than you do.

I don't know about you but i do sincerely believe 'knowledge is power'.

Ps: laila, i heart paul macdonald and casey abrams.

Ps2: cek chun, org kalau tak rasa tergugat dgn kita, dia takkan hina kita. Series.

uculer said...

*guide dekat perhentian. Ni kene beli wireless keyboard. En razali ada jual wireless keyboard? Kalau takde mungkin bole jual sekarang.

azwan said...

Aku bace The Star hari ni pasal Tan Sri Vincent Tan...

"In his case, he was lucky to get the franchise for McDonald's in 1982, he adds, revealing that HE WROTE HUNDREDS OF LETTERS OVER A SEVEN YEAR PERIOD BEFORE MC'DONALD'S RESPONDED TO HIM. The rest, is history."

Aku respek betul mamat Cine nih.Yela walaupun tokey judi, tapi dia mmg bapak persistence. Ikut yg baik, buang yg keruh. Macam si Zali Kordi nih...persistent cari downline. Hampeh...

RazFiRa said...

bila si Joe ctrl+F, then x jumpe pubmed.. lepas tu siap cakap die MALAS lg nak bace..

haha.

ksian Joe.

Laila said...

Angkel Li, i is caress about properly English too. You hear that?

Neah, sebenarnya aku tak kesah sgt kalu broken pon, salah sesikit pon no big deal & so long dlm konteks nak improve.

Angkel Li ni dah officially elevated himself from being a troll to hardcore stalkeroll, a pain-in-da-thick-arse one at dat. But at least he's not obnoxiously bat-shit crazy like gempoorah & few other trolls.


ps uculer, yay for PM & CA. Ai jrg tengok AI, just 2-3 full seasons but this time tuned in because of Steven Tyler. I prefer Mark Burnett's short-lived Rock Star. That show was insane shit, the best (rock) singing competition on da planet.

azwan said...

Umo dah 40, dulu tak blaja betol2. English sangkut2 la skang...

Joe ingat dia chess player, but actually he is one of the chess pieces. Bergerak dalam system yg HL reka khas untuk membalun naivety bdk2 melayu bangang mcm dia.

Laila said...

azwan , pas ni dia terer lah tu sebab asyik dok berdebat ngan ko ngan dak2 sini...kui kui

Joejambul ni dah lam kategori delusional of grandeur, selalu lepak ngan gang2 upline dia kot, he wants to be them, so he acts/ thinks like 'em.

uculer said...

Laila: I concern kat razali je. Omeg, i watch ai sbb that demon of screaming. samalah.

Sorry off topic.

hyelbaine said...

"Who care about the broken English or what what? It bukan bahasa ibundaku. Salesman tak kesah...."

I fucking do you cunt. It's because people like you that the teaching of Maths and Science in English has been revoked by the time my daughter starts her schooling years. It is fucked up politicians sucking up to retards like you that is causing the future generations to suffer.

En. Li, the knowledge found in today's world is in English. Kalau kau dan org2 MELAYU lain MALAS nak mampos to learn English, how the fuck are you going to learn about knowledge. Medicine, engineering, science, maths, physics and all are mostly written in English. So kalau dah malas macam mana nak belajar? Bodoh piang.

When the West wanted to escape the dark ages, they learned Arabic. Why? Because all knowledge in scientific studies were written in Arabic. They wanted to learn so they couldn't afford to be MALAS macam people like you retard.

So yeah. I fucking care that my daughter and her friends are already at an disadvantage because of like minded people like you. Even China is asking it's residence to learn English.

The only nation that could innovate despite not using English is Japan. Tapi kau nie Razali ada ker rajin macam orang Jepun. Kebanyakkan orang Melayu nie rajin macam orang Jepun ker.

YES I fucking care Razali, you have a problem with that?

@rep said...

si Joe tu sajer nak gunakan aidid utk naikkan traffic blog. Suka dia bila dapat duit dari nuffnangngok

cek chun said...

Uculer,
Aku tau dia panas bontot.semalam dia ada hangin juga.
Malam tadi pun trolls baya2 dia jer. Sampai azwan malas nak melayan.

Kalau dah kata minat kereta mayat, kenapa tak ambik dan hadam apa yg hamba tulis?? Payah sangat ka nak paham? Hamka tulis dalam bahasa melayu tau.bukan english.

Aku yang tak reti apa pasai pubmed pun boleh pi google. Cuba buka minda luas-luas. Baca banyak-banyak.

Betoi kata bawang besar, budak-budak ni memang kaw-kaw kena brainwash.

azwan said...

Main hide and seek, budak2 punye kerja. Tu yg aku malas layan.

Abu Huzaifah said...

@hyelbaine
You know,although I dont like to speak english,I have to agree with you

Laila said...

@ uculer: Understood , same concern here.

@ Baine bro: Tu dia..cudn't agree more. I tak kesah/suka tengok org yg try nak improve albeit broken (practice makes perfect), but got irritated by people who mock da idea of learning/perfecting one's English skills .. cam itu wangkel li.

@ chek cun: ignore jer aper dak jambul tu cakap kat hang.


ps multitasking, mengomen sambil mop lantai ....

Razali said...
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musbiaggi said...

pe barang nak jealous dgn mlmers..kesian lagi ada ..pathetic sungguh...

kalau produk tu sekadar food or supliment tak yah la claim macam2..

Aidid Mu'addib said...

Razali....
The point is you're a real freaking dumbass,
and since when Aidid Mu'addib is confused what the fuck?
Can you please elaborate about it like the way I had done in articles after articles in this here blog... you know, elaborate about my alleged confusion. I hope it's not a big convoluted mystery. I'm game to discuss the confusion further, if you want.

Oh ya.... cakap Melayu sudaaaaaaaaaaaaah...

Akulah Aqilah Itu said...

this is funny.

The Razali thing.

Haha.

Razali said...
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Razali said...
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cek chun said...

Because you’re aware of your ignorance, you don’t act with foolish confidence. The person who thinks they know something that they really don’t makes the worst decisions.

Sound familiar cik li??

MsAwin said...

Hi...amacam? Lama tak jenguk blog ni...

Isu sama jugak. Kalau jenis yang tak percaya adanya Tuhan, memang macam ni...

musbiaggi said...

kui kui kui.....

jenuh aku nak digest....boleh sembelit mcm ni

http://aniesandyou.blogspot.com said...

sbb percaya pd tuhan la... takut nk buat keje2 yg jelas dan nyata haram. jgn hanya ada ilmu..ckp pong pang pong pang tp x diamalkan...



troll..troll..mai da

matbong said...

Welkam beck Miss Sawan..
Xcari downline ke arini?? Rugi wooo...

MsAwin said...

makan durian banyak2 tiap-tiap hari pun boleh mampus, apatah lagi herbalife!

Azwan said, product food supplement tak ikut procedure macam nak produce drugs, so, merbahaya dan tak boleh buat medical claim.

for user safety, aku setuju. but untuk underestimate food supplement atau natural food dari memberikan kesan healing, aku TAK SETUJU...

orang yang tak percaya adanya tuhan aje yang boleh keluar kenyataan yang underestimate food supplement atau natural food. Mereka ni meletakkan penyembuhan mutlak adalah milik doktor dan drugs mereka...SYIRIK...

Tinker-Tanker said...

Salam,

Thanks for highlighting this issue.

Last year, Herbal life had caused a feud between my mother and her son-in-law. She has always been against herbal life's products because she had seen them negatively affected two patients at the hospital (where she used to work).

On the other hand, my sister's husband kept telling all of us to join/buy herbal life products. In order to prove him right, he did lose several kilos after using HL products.

I was quite impressed by the outcome until my youngest sister (aged 21) started to drink the HL 'tea'(which was being claimed by him as the 'mother' of all weight loss). Only after two hours of her first cup of the tea, she started to feel an extreme abdominal pain and suddenly blood came out from her vagina. (she claimed it wasn't like her menses but it is more like a fresh wound blood). We had to send her to the ER and the doctor said it was maybe due to a bad reaction towards the product. Doc asked my sis to stop using the product immediately.
Being as persistent as she has always been, my sister referred her problem to one of HL’s consultant. Unfortunately, the consultant has refused to acquiesce to her request – which is to explain what had happened to her exactly. (still not responding until now)

Well, what can i say other than it is true that most of the time
mothers know best.

ps: I miss my mother.

hyelbaine said...

Razali,

So after all that effort of copy+pasting someone else' work, what have you proven? If you look at the entire article (which I hope you understood the copyrights to it), it serves as a great case study on the trolls that pollute this blog.

It's easy to copy+paste other people's work but where's your take on it? What's your comprehension and understanding of it all? Are you expecting the people who read those comments to make up their own minds?

If that is the case that unless you chip in with your take on it, we have every right to come to the conclusion based on what we read verbatim.

My conclusion is, you're delusional.

Aidid Mu'addib said...

Sakai PNG percaya Tuhan erk? Impressive!
Tapi kalau dapat baca dan pegi sekolah sampai abis, rasanya lagi baeeeek! Boleh gak cakap apa-apa topik tu bukan melalui bontot.

syockit said...

Pak Razali,
Saya rasa Aidid dah menekan berkali2 yang dia hanya mahu menghindarkan orang lain daripada join MLM. Orang yang dah join dianggap dah 'takleh nak selamatkan'. Jadi, kalaupun orang buat onar dengan MLM tu awak umpamakan dengan 'penagih dadah yang perlu diselamatkan', Aidid tetap tak akan peduli.
Kalau nak perjuangkan agenda 'BerMLM secara betul', pergilah buka blog baru.

Personal comment:
Aku pelik dengan Amirul punya "buat la fakta sendiri". Lingkup semua syarikat akhbar kalau nak kena cari fakta sendiri aje. Stastistik? Temuramah? Semua sumber luar. Yang boleh letak cuma liputan kejadian je.

azwan said...

2 ekor babun dah tiba...

Please accept je la yg level education dan experience aku dan korang berdua tak sama. Aku ni macam bercakap dgn tok bomoh. dan bukan target aku nak educate babun mcm korang.

HhahahHAHAAHahaha...Zali Kordi dan Awin Sawan, aku mmg suka maki korang berdua, bkn sebab ape..sebab pekerjaan mengemis dan menyangak korang 2 ekor ni mmg tak deserve respect langsung.

Two things for sure,
1) aku takkan judge kepercayaan seseorang tu pada tuhan semudah tu.
2) aku takkan hina perkerjaan org lain seperti cleaner dan despatch, sbb bagi aku dorang buat kerja Halal.

azwan said...

Oh ya...about your statement, sesedap bontot cakap aku syirik. consider what I wrote in other thread, fucker! :
__________________________

Saya pasti Aidid akan memberi respon peribadi dia selepas ini. Saya terpanggil utk menjawab persoalan awak, kerana saya pengamal perubatan professional lebih daripada 20 tahun. Saya fikir pendapat saya ini sedikit sebanyak dapat membantu mereka yg lain yg masih musykil.

Berbekam sangat terkenal sebagai salah satu perubatan Islam sejak zaman Rasulullah S.A.W lagi. Saya tahu ada hadith yg menyokong kebaikan berbekam kerana ianya juga merupakan sunnah Rasulullah S.A.W. Terdapat juga pendapat mengatakan cara berbekam yg terbaik ialah bekam lintah.

Rasulullah S.A.W meninggalkan sunnah kepada kita untuk dicontohi, dan jika diikuti akan dapat pahala. Oleh yg demikian, kita sebagai org Islam, tidak akan mempertikai/memperlekehkan kebaikan berbekam. Yg lebih penting, kita boleh memberi nilai tambah pada sesuatu sunnah itu dengan kajian sains. Jika kajian sains itu diterima, maka sunnah itu, dan Islam itu juga akan dipandang tinggi. Dengan kata lain, Rasulullah S.A.W telah menyediakan platform dan landasan utk kita berfikir dan berjaya. Adalah jelas di sini saya yg begitu anti MLM, tidak langsung sangsi dgn potensi perubatan tradisional.

Berkenaan pernyataan awak di atas:
"ramai yang dapat recover sepenuhnya dr darah tinggi, kesan stroke, lemah jantung, gout, kencing manis, masalah buah pinggang dll."
Penyakit2 yg awak sebut tu, mempunyai definasi2 tertentu dalam bidang perubatan moden. Jika bekam benar2 berpotensi untuk menyembuhkan kencing manis, mari kita ajak profesor2 untuk buat kajian. biar terbukti secara klinikal. bila terbukti, alangkah baik kita boleh berbekam di hospital/klinik kerajaan. Saya tahu kerajaan sedia bantu. di hospital2 seperti putrajaya, ada pusat rawatan tradisional, kerana kerajaan cuba mengintegrasi perubatan tradisional dan moden. boleh juga memberi pendapatan tambahan pada pangamal2 tradisional.

Ini bukan satu omong kosong. saya bagi satu contoh terbaik untuk awak. Lintah di US telah diiktiraf oleh US FDA sebagai medical device, iaitu sebagai alatan perubatan pada 1998. bila ini berlaku, lintah kini boleh diguna di bilik2 bedah untuk menghisap darah beku. Lintah sebelum itu telah dilakukan kajian klinikal dan telah disterilkan/dibersihkan. Kuman 99% telah dibasmi. Clinial trial dilakukan. Lintah kini dipandang tinggi oleh pakar2 bedah di US.

Kita dapat lihat orang2 kafir telah lebih pantas dalam kajian ilmu sains untuk menaik taraf perubatan tradisional. mereka dipandang tinggi. kita yang rugi. kita boleh buat, kita ada otak.

Cont...

azwan said...

ni juga pernyataan awak:
"penyakit byk berpunca dr pemakanan yang tak betul dan terlalu byk menggunakan ubat-ubatan termasuk yang dibekalkan oleh hospital"
pernyataan ni terlalu general. pemakanan tak betul salah satu punca daripada beribu2 faktor yg lain. Ubatan di hospital mempunyai kesan jangka pendek dan panjang. sebab penting ada pengawasan dan nasihat doktor. kuncinya di sini ialah: keputusan doktor beri ubathospital adalah kerana berdasarkan professionalisme doktor, dimana ubat tersebut akan memberikan kesan manfaat yg lebih signifikan berbanding kesan sampingan yang diterima. Ini kita panggil clinical justification dalam perubatan moden. Contoh, awak pernah menghidap darah tinggi. saya buat keputusan awak perlu makan ubat darah tinggi seumur hidup kerana untuk mengawal tekanan darah dan mengelakkan komplikasi2 darah tinggi lain iaitu sakit jantung, jantung bengkak dan stroke. Jika awak tidak makan, itu komplikasi yg mungkin awak akan tanggung. Jika awak makan pula, betul ia akan beri kesan pada buah pinggang, tapi ia hanya berlaku utk kesan jangka masa panjang, biasanya 30-40 tahun. Kesan jangka masa panjang ini boleh dikawal melalui proper follow up dengan doktor melalui pemeriksaan "renal profile" untuk menilai fungsi buah pinggang. Jadi akhirnya, ia pilihan pesakit. pesakit tidak mahu, saya tidak boleh paksa, tetapi suka saya beritahu ramai yang tinggalkan ubat2 hospital, datang balik kepada pihak hospital kerana komplikasi2 yg saya telah sebut tadi. mereka degil dan buat keputusan sendiri. dalam hati kita terima, dan rawat sahaja mereka. buat apa saya nak bertelagah dengan pakcik, marah2 apesal tak makan ubat?! takda guna, kita terima, kita rawat, kita berkhidmat untuk rakyat.

Panadol juga ada kesan sampingan. Maksimum dosage utk orang dewasa hanya 8 biji satu hari sahaja. Jika lebih, akan ada kesan toksik pada hati.

Buat pertimbangan yang betul dan tanya mereka yg arif. Jika pesakit benar2 sembuh dengan perubatan tradisional, alhamdullillah, kuasa tuhan. ilmu doktor tidak sedalam tuhan. semoga kajian sains dapat merungkai dengan lebih dalam lagi perubatan tradisional, termasuklah berbekam. tapi awas, kebanyakan perubatan juga ada kesan jangka panjang, terutama yg tinggi kandungan steroid. steroid boleh menghilangkan bengkak dan melegakan kesakitan dalam jangka masa cepat. kesan jangka masa pendek, boleh merosakkan buah pinggang dan jantung, terutama jika ambil dalam dos begitu tinggi...minum akar kayu bergelen2. Hhahahhahaa!

Suka saya beritahu, jika mereka mengiklankan bekam dapt sembuhkan kencing manis, darah tinggi, dll tanpa kajian klinikal yg betul, adalah tidak beretika dan menipu pengguna. banyak di luar sana buat begitu, tapi mereka ni cari makan, bukanlah org kaya sangat, jadi kerajaan hanya akan bertindak jika ada komplen dan tidaklah tegas sgt. Ini pendapat saya.

TQ
____________________________

Awin bebal..read carefully sial.

hyelbaine said...

Percaya pada ubat dan doktor mensyirikkan Allah? Biar betul korang nih? Lupa ker, ilmu perubatan tuh hasil kurniaan siapa? Just because byk ilmu perubatan dikuasai oleh orang bukan Islam, using it mensyirikkan Allah?

How shallow and desperate can you all get? Semua, I repeat semua ilmu didunia ini adalah dari Allah wahai manusia2. Allah Yang Maha Mengetahui and He is the ultimate decision-maker as to who gets the knowledge.

Seriously, what the hell goes through your minds when you comment here? Medicinal knowledge is syirik? Remember, He is Most Knowledgeable.

You twats should pray to Him not to sway you from the right path and stop coming out with statements that clearly shows the level of maturity that you trolls clearly lack.

azwan said...

Hmm...bro baine, troll bahlol cakap kalau aku merendah2kan potensi supplement atau natural food, dan hanya anggap cara doktor sahaja leh sembuh penyakit, aku dah kira syirik...

HahaHAHAHHAahahahaha..clearly dalam comment aku in different thread (Transfer Factor), aku dah lama menidakkan ape dia cakap. Dia desperate bro. Dia main belasah, main hentam, takde modal. Lagi byk dia cakap, lagi clear level maturity dia. Dia mmg jenis yg tak membaca. Memalukan..

hazirah kasimon said...

huhu..thanx 4 dat..really appreciate

Laila said...

Hey MsSawan was here?..& managed to tick people off on the way out...heh

Btw azwan, i remember that comment way back & i was like "wow this dude knows his shit & is awesomely calm in the face of trollersity" . But i feel a lil' weird re-reading it now karena kamu sungguh kudus ketika itu. Kui kui kui. Heeeeeeeeeee. On a serious note, i learn a lot from you bro. Thanks.

cek chun said...

No wonder yg kudus n mulus can change into the dragon. Just look at the trolls here!!!

azwan said...

I believe we have something to learn from each other here. Using Aidid blog as platform. May Allah bless him.

These trolls like i said, don't deserve my respect HERE, in the cyber world.

Laila said...

cek chun,

Yup, terol-terol yg singgah kat sini memang membuatkan anybody's blood go upstairs. Tapi melihatkan cara2 komen readers kat sini, i'd say we have a balanced mix, which is good. Of course yg brutal2 tu yg selalu buat ai ketawa berdekah.

Rose said...

nak tanya, Dr. Romzey tu jual apa? I think Aidid dah talk about it before, so, link mana? Baca fb member about the good Dr. dok promote amenda tah, siap nak buat DRbook nak ganti fb. But I didn't get what product he is selling sebab comments depa banyak about his hair style...

Ni Dr. Romzey Laila kan?

cek chun said...

Hahahahaha ya rose. That's the one la.
Tadi baca kat kosmo n metro, dia dah lancar baju macam premium bloodyful n penapis air.

Dah jadi one stop center for ubat herba, ubat kurus, kencing manis. Ada web portal sendiri untuk ahli check apakebenda tak tau.

Betul tu laila, rasanya tujuan asal blog dah sampai. sebab tu ramai trolls juga pembaca.

Bang aidid tanak terjah dr luv ni kah?

Laila said...

Hahahaha..Dr. Romzey Laila, terus tersembur air oren aku bukak2 komputer baca benda ni .

Waduh Rose, kamu sudah meransangkan bayang rambut dia dalam kotak imaginasiku.

Other than his hairstyle & his delusional press statement pasal pelem dia leh jual juta2 lemon tu, sebenaqnya ai pon tak tau dia juai apa. Except for jus kughuih yg selalu kena mention ngan readers kat sini.

Btw, citer pasal dia belum kena cover kat belog ni. Just few name mentions secara sporadik sayup2. Ai dah grovel at Aidid's feet to write about this no-diggity doc. Curious nak baca tuan belognya perspective in his usual bruttaly-delicious-no-holds-barred words. Bet there's so much to diss about, ze hair can be da starting point.

But I guess tuan belog has his own priorities. Now that this blog has reached the next level, so does the level of discussion content/entry subject (which i'm enjoying as much).


(Tapi leh jadi filler entry kan?kan? Ala-ala citer hantu tu.)

cek chun said...

Tuan tanah dok bz tengok bola..hehehe

Filler pun cun you. Ai loike.

hyelbaine said...

"Betul tu laila, rasanya tujuan asal blog dah sampai. sebab tu ramai trolls juga pembaca."

But how many of them are able to swallow their big ego's and admit they've made a mistake?

How many of them are willing to accept that they have followed blindly advise from people who have no interest in their well being but their own?

How many will give up the quest to "regain my capital" and just write it off and start anew?

How many are willing to stop and go back to each and every friend, relative or family member and apologize for treating them as nothing more than down line feeders to the scheme?

How many are willing to be patient? To put in the shift and grit in order to earn an honest living?

But most importantly...

How many are willing give up the chase for money. The chase for supposed easy richness that awaits. How many are willing to give up the "easy way" of making money and start earning a decent living through sheer effort and hard work?

Laila said...

Bro Baine,

Yeah, none of these trolls (da "blacks" ) ever admitted that they've made a mistake. So da the rest of the questions are irrelevant. But those comments made by our esteemed readers to rebut the trolls' delusional claims will educate da lurking greys and whites, who will then be the main messengers to rest of the whites and greys.

azwan said...

Yola,
Kita pergunakan mangkuk2 babun2 macam zali, awin, joe, dan rakan2nye untuk educate yg kelabu asap dan yg putih melepak. jgn kasi dorang terjebak dgn dakyah songsang nih.

Yg hitam bontot kuali kita tau, yg kegagalan jek leh ajar dorang.

Dr Rozmey buat MLM gak ke?

cek chun said...

baine,
jangan lupa. Yg dah masuk MlM memang payah nak kasi ke pangkal jalan.
Kalau tak, takde la trolls tu semua. Bukan senang nak admit ur mistakes, jumpa downlines pulang balik duit.malu dah satu, kena caci n keji lagi. Mana nak letak muka.

Blog ni cuma boleh educate people the danger of MlM.yang masih atas pagar macam cik nurul yg manis tu atau yang baca untuk pengetahuan sendiri untuk disebarkan pada kawan2 atau sedara.

cek chun said...

Tak sure la wan. Jusmet tu kalo beli 3boxes u pay 450 instead of 200 per box. Tapi produk baru tu taktau la dia nak jual macam mana.

boyarque said...

*dok tepi makan kuaci, sambil perati trolls memperbodohkan diri.....


ADA SUSU?

hyelbaine said...

@ Laila, Azwan & cek chun,

The beauty of it all is that no one can claim they were forced into MLM, ponzi or pyramid schemes. No one can claim that they were forced in because they had a gun to their head.

Most went into it for the rewards, that's about it. Most were blinded by the money, fools gold. Most were either too naïve (highly unlikely) or were looking to get rich quick (most likely).

Maybe that's why its hard for them to stop. That's why they defend it with all their copy+paste might. That's why they'll even use religion for justification.

That ladies and gents is the classic Stockholm Syndrome in full effect.

Laila said...

Setelah ku bertanya pakcik Gugle pasal Dr. Jugah, terkuar citer pasal dia nak amik Pamela Anderson 36DD tu berlakon pelem baru dia.


Ok sal MLM eh, baru check website dia, came across DDR nyer produk slimming suit rega RM2.5k jual, downlines termed as Gen 1 (anak),Gen 2 (cucu), ada bonus tajaan.

azwan said...

Serius..ada unsur MLM ke ni? Wat malu profession aku jek. siol biol punye cendawan. patut geng dgn Zali Kordi.

azwan said...

Baru check kat:
http://www.herbaprima.com.my/pelbagai.php?menu=pemasaran&submenu=p-perniagaan

Ceh...sah2 MLM. Hampeh btol mamat cendawan. Ape punye consultant O&G. Tunggu turn la ko rozmey pasnih..

Rose said...

Thanks all, for the info. Went to his website, had a good laugh at his products - go and look for yourself, especially espressoXL...tak sangka the good dr has conducted many research in many areas, not just O&G. Coz semua products diformulasi oleh dr. Rozmey sendiri, the diabetes one, sakit sendi, even untuk kesihatan mata. Man, he's a superman, even made a movie! Mesti banyak telan herba dia...

Laila, I think this is the bapak segala delusional of grandeur...

syzlerz said...

msAwin,
you blow everything out of proportion.

"orang yang tak percaya adanya tuhan aje yang boleh keluar kenyataan yang underestimate food supplement atau natural food. Mereka ni meletakkan penyembuhan mutlak adalah milik doktor dan drugs mereka...SYIRIK..."

establishment of medical practice operated by qualified pratitioners (doctor) provides people with proper treatment with the aim to improves people's health creating a trustworthy channel. so if you are sick, go to the hospital/clinic, the doctor is liable to prescribe you with proper medicine until your health improves.

the mlm practitioners that had little knowledge in medics however prescribe a prospect that becomes his/her downline with nutritional product and claims that it can cure people from serious diseases. the price of the product most of the time are expensives. if the condition of people improves then the mlm claims that their products are superb but if it does not work or the consumers condition worsen, the mlm usually claims that it has nothing to do with their products and advice that consumer to get treatment at the hospital instead. the purpose of mlm from the beginning is to generate money from the sales of unproven/improper products. this is irresponsible and "zalim".

azwan said...

Dia ni ada grandious punya problem. target 40 juta pun tak sampai. sperma dia kot yg 40 juta. Guys, jgn salah paham..bukan semua doktor2 hospital ni tahu etika promosi produk2 ubatan. they are very good technically, especially the surgeon, more of left sided brainer. mamat cendawan ni terlalu taksub dgn prinsip marketing, tu yg tak sampai 40 juta.

syzlerz said...

razali, about the cordy juice. your company claim on international patent is invalid. the patent was applied in 2005 and was withdrawn in 2006 as there is no preliminary examination provided by the researcher. read here http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2005058022&IA=CN2004001315&DISPLAY=HISTORY

oh, and these 580mg cordyceps selling at $14.79 only. link - http://www.amazon.com/Vitamin-Shoppe-Cordyceps-520-capsules/dp/B00014D5KW%3FSubscriptionId%3D14H876SFAKFS0EHBYQ02%26tag%3Dhubpages-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB00014D5KW

how many mg did the cordy juice have in 30 ml? oh, only 1.4mg, shall i assume that the cordy juice 1 bottle which cost rm 120 per bottle (300ml?) had only 14mg cordyceps Sinesis? - http://www.amazon.com/Vitamin-Shoppe-Cordyceps-520-capsules/dp/B00014D5KW%3FSubscriptionId%3D14H876SFAKFS0EHBYQ02%26tag%3Dhubpages-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB00014D5KW

and this cordyceps herbal jelly is selling at $9.22 only per 200ml - http://estore.euyansang.com/ProductGroup/Cordyceps/Cordyceps-Herbal-Jelly.aspx

syzlerz said...

oh, cordy juice also had a contest previously (4H3M Education Trip ke Micro Environment Control Technology Research Centre Yangtze Delta Region Institute of Tsinghua
University, SHANGHAI) - http://genji77.urvip.biz/2010/10/22/cordy-juice/

which i hope razali did go. educational trip which is good.
but seriously man. Tsinghua University is located in Beijing and not SHANGHAI! (it's not even close at all) and the Micro_E research centre never exists man. are they really doing an educational trip to an unexisting place? these people surely a wonder species! - http://www.tsinghua.edu.cn/eng/board1/boardlist.jsp?boardid=35&bid2=64&pageno=1

oh and careful razali, there are also cheap cordyceps herbs sold in bulk especially for manufacturing in china which side effects can cause nausea and chest discomfort. the ceap ones looks similar to the expensive ones. hopefully they are not using these cheap herbs in the cordy juice. reading is good for you! - http://www.p-maps.org/ShowDocument.aspx?tp=n&id=4af78c79-6c3b-4885-8b48-0c6007f006e1

razali, You just got punk'd

syzlerz said...

joe of the herbalife faction, you sounds like a jerk!

azwan said...

sylerz,
obviously you don't talk through your ass. bravo! if troll like you exist, its going to be a hard time for me. Hahahahah..

Rose said...

Sylerz, great info, thanks!

Razali said...
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Aidid Mu'addib said...

syzlerz...
what a heck of an entry here to this blog...
I have to be more vigilant in the future,
this guy is a real machine!

Rose said...

Just a tiny info that I found, I think there is an institute in shanghai, found this paper http://qhxb.lib.tsinghua.edu.cn/myweb/english/2008/2008e4/480-484.pdf

I think Universiy of Tsinghua ada in Beijing and in Jiaxing (near Shanghai), maybe branch dia kot.

Not that I am on Razali's side, just being fair. Can't argue with facts.

hyelbaine said...

HOH, bravo to you Sylerz. This humble LDP traffic cone mover tabik spring to you for such an insightful comment that you've given.

I agree with Azwan, if trolls were like this we'd all be in for one heck of conversation but alas, they're no where near close :P

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It Just Me..... said...

EEE.....apa je yg manufacture from china...kalo leh elakkan...
tapi memandangkan kat sana labour cost tersangatlah murahnya...so, banyak barangan dunia dibuat disana...termasuk la barangan IKEA...

Mcm kata aidid, walaupun tanda HALAL sebesar bagak...tapi kehygienannya(rosak bahasa aku..hahahah) ak dijamin...eeeeee....

eh...aidid ada awek? apekah???

LittleLady said...

itulah pasal.. aku tgk ramai penjual HL ni perasan nak jadi wellness/nutrition consultant. POYO tul. org lain belajar 3 to 4 years for that dip or degree..

org kata bodoh, marah.. tp mmg tu lah hakikatnya.

It Just Me..... said...

aku baru g kedai bawah, pahtu kene tahan jap, nak tgk metabolisma and timbang berat aku...
yg aku terbangak, pehal lak derang ni tetiba tanya apa aku makan hari2...then derang kenalkan diri sebagai pakar nutrisi...wohoooo...then ajak masuk kedai dia...aku tanye la...nak buat apa...ala kak mari la tgk2, kami boleh bantu akak utk hidup sihat...apsal aku nampak cam sakit ke? ropenye kedai herbalife la beb...aku tanye le, leh kurus cam J-LO ke, die kata kalau ikut nasihat pakar nutrisi seperti derang...bukan takat J-LO, cam posh bechkam leh gak...cet....tapiii..derang kata dah kurus tak bleh benti tau....kena teruskan sampai bila2 telan herbalife tu...PATUT LA KAYAAAAAAAAAAA..........!!! kalau akak setop, badan akan nek 2 kali ganda katanya (WADEFAK?) dah la barang mahal giler nak suh aku menten...ingat aku ni anak sedara Tan Sri Azman Hashim gamaknyer.....bek aku p gym...:P:P

ouda said...

Patut la joe jambul and friends tak faham2.. Ada learning difficulties.

Kesian..

TheBentPencil said...

Gaduh, gaduh and gaduh....cuba baca apa thinkertanker tulis kat atass tu. taknak baca, meh saya repost.

"Salam,

Thanks for highlighting this issue.

Last year, Herbal life had caused a feud between my mother and her son-in-law. She has always been against herbal life's products because she had seen them negatively affected two patients at the hospital (where she used to work).

On the other hand, my sister's husband kept telling all of us to join/buy herbal life products. In order to prove him right, he did lose several kilos after using HL products.

I was quite impressed by the outcome until my youngest sister (aged 21) started to drink the HL 'tea'(which was being claimed by him as the 'mother' of all weight loss). Only after two hours of her first cup of the tea, she started to feel an extreme abdominal pain and suddenly blood came out from her vagina. (she claimed it wasn't like her menses but it is more like a fresh wound blood). We had to send her to the ER and the doctor said it was maybe due to a bad reaction towards the product. Doc asked my sis to stop using the product immediately.
Being as persistent as she has always been, my sister referred her problem to one of HL’s consultant. Unfortunately, the consultant has refused to acquiesce to her request – which is to explain what had happened to her exactly. (still not responding until now) "

clear cut, first hand evidence of possible toxicity due to herbalife. and still you wanna defend it. herbalife guys, try la contact Thinkertanker ni tengok dengan mata kepala sendiri apa jadi dgn adik dia. and try to drink the tea after that. still want?

Rose said...

TheBentPencil,

Good point. Memang orang Herbalife prefers testimonials than facts.

Thinkertanker, sorry for not acknowledging you earlier (to many trolls mucking about), but thanks for your touching story. Hope your sister will get what she deserve from Herbalife (but I won't hold my breath).

hyelbaine said...

"clear cut, first hand evidence of possible toxicity due to herbalife. and still you wanna defend it. herbalife guys, try la contact Thinkertanker ni tengok dengan mata kepala sendiri apa jadi dgn adik dia. and try to drink the tea after that. still want?"

Either they wouldn't dare to do it or they'll do it so that they can sell THEIR products pulak. Memang bengong :P

Ann said...

ak consume herbalife..dh 4-5 bulan.
ak xtau lah psl org len cmne...tp b4 ak amik, ak mudah tertido dlm opis lps lunch, migrain since 1st year dgree, resdung sejak sklh mngh...ak penah pi hospital nk rawat resdung tp kene gelak ngn doc mase ak matrikulasi..katenya resdung mane wujud.

sejak ak amik hl, ak dh xalami semua tu lg...jd xkisah lah korang kate herbalife ni mcm2. kalo ak baca artikel ni b4 ak amik herbalife, mybe ak takkan beli pun sbb takut..tp ak dh rasai sdiri beza seblum n selepas amik herbalife.

Rose said...

Salam Ann,

It's good that you feel better. Harap jangkamasa panjang you still ok.

About migrane and resdung, from experience, the older you get, the less you kena or tak kena langsung. Mmg masa awal2 20an, teruk (agaknya hormon influence gak kot).

Just something to rememer: some products are fast acting, it's not sebab they have miracle ingredients tapi % active indgredients jauh lebih tinggi dari yg di approve. Or ada bahan aktif yg dah di banned. Contoh yg I terfikir, skin
whitening products. Dulu Ada product mana tah dah x ingat nama, mmg kalau pakai, sekejap je dah putih, ramai
percaya. Mmgla la kulit licin n putih, cun melecun...but
rupanya Ada mercury, which is toxic for us.

Again, when things are too good to be true, just beware..

Verification: toodedia (tu dia...)

azwan said...

HahahaHAHAHAHhahahhaha!!
Placebo effects or..whatever.

Atau camni la Ann, to be fair with you, leh tak bagi aku which HL product yg ko amik tu? Aku nak baca label dia dan aku nak bagi some professional comments. Its for your own good too. Orait thanks Ann!

Ann said...

@rose
wsalam, nk tgu lbh makin tua, skg ak dh 27..ntah lah..dh lame sakit..smpkan ade classmate aku mase sklh dulu takut nk dekat ngn aku, mybe takut kene jgkit or geli kot sbb asyik bersin je, dlm stok ak xlepas ngn panadol ngn ubat selsema. ak amik gak vit C.

@azwan
ak amik fullset, formula 1, 3 n tea.

Aidid Mu'addib said...

I live my whole life with "resdung"...
Which is "allergic rhinitis" in medical terms... even today.
It's a generalised allergic reaction to our environment
that afflict up to a quarter of human beings on earth.
Lots of things I'm allergic of... but it all revolves around dust.
You know... house-dust mites, human skins, toodleedoo-toodleedum.
It got bad when u least expect it, it gave me restless sleep, it drove me crazy
at times - but, it's just an allergy. It's hereditary - my father has it,
my 2 siblings have it... at least it's just allergic rhinitis, and not
full blown asthma. It's hypersensitivity reaction we humans have.
But... I wouldn't take any Herbalife for that though.
If it works for you... fine. But, do you know that hypersensitivity
reaction grew less as you grow older... for some lucky people?
It could have been that it was actually the time for your resdung
to get better, and you took the said products. Or, it could be that
your environment was getting cleaner, as you get more well-off,
as times goes by....
You're possibly giving credits to some unrelated
"health products" that could poison you in the long run.
But... like I said, if it works well for ya - knock yourself out.

SaZs AxL said...

@ann
kt malaysia ni besenyer yg kater resdung tu ade alahan je..cube ko check blk mase ko slalu bersin..cmne environment,weather,makanan yg u amek etc..n utk alahan ni ko x pyh amek pape..juz get rid of the allergen..cume yg agak teruk doc bg antihistamine..

xpon u jmpe doc..then ko ckp symptom2 tu camane..maybe 'migraine' tu pon due to allegic rxn..criter time bile slalu kene etc..

neway..doc tu pon satu gak gi gelakkan ko,patut bg lebih explanation..x pasal2 ko pecaya ngn herbalife plak..

azwan said...

Alright Ann, kita focus kat masalah resdung ko tu dan kaitannya dgn herbalife. Dlm kes ni kita presume Ann mmg btol2 ada masalah migraine dan allergic rhinitis(resdung). utk mudahkan discussion, kita focus pasal resdung sahaja.

1) Ni aku cakap pasal placebo effect. Utk formula 3 and tea, read carefully the following statements, which printed on the product label.."These statement has not been evaluated by The Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.". For Formula 1, product tu mmg not indicated to treat any disease, its more of balance diet and weight loss. Despite all the ingredients in these 3 products, the manufacturer themselves admit that the products in not manufactured to treat, cure or prevent any disease. So Ann, Herbalife products can cure your allergic rhinitis (resdung) dan migraine? Herbalife chief scientist pun terkejut beruk sebab dorang pun tak plan camtu. So what actually happen to you is placebo effect.

2) Ann, aku amik kes resdung la sbb its easier to explain. Resdung is a form a allergic reaction, which can be triggered by many2 factors. just name it..anything in the form of dust, gas, polen..ape2 je la. It can be relieved with medicine that contained antihistamine and steroid. Ada possibilities tiga2 HL yg ko amik tu ada STEROID? Of course ada!!! Contoh: Formula 3 contain Rhodiola Root Extract. Further info, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodiola_rosea. Akar kayu extract CONFIRM ada steroid. lebih lagi kalau crude extract. kat label tulis 10mg extract. Ko kena paham perkataan extract ni is very general (crude extract), which impossible can be highly purified 99% extract. Kalau lah betul pure extract, harga takkan 2-3 ratus, mau 2-3 ribu satu gram. So, ada possibilities yg resdung ko tu "sembuh" sebab steroid dari extract akar kayu/rhizom Rhodiola. Means kalau minum air akar kayu tongkat ali pun leh cure jugak. for god sake, steroid is undeniably one of the best, multipurpose drug in the world. it can cure almost any type of ongoing inflammation, which also occur in resdung. The basis of how resdung happen is due to underlying inflammation secondary to allergen.

Ann, sebab aku bagi opinion kat sini, aku taknak ko obsessed dan excited sgt dgn product HL. Without professional knowledge dan experience, ko boleh mislead. Just like the company name implies, their product is more of mixture of few herbs, which they "belief" have some certain good effects. A belief that is not tested.

SaZs AxL said...

@ann
sng citer ko nk caye kt professional yg kne obliged wif their ethics in order to continue practise..ke ko nk caye ngn distributor herbalife yg takde kelulusan berkaitan n cuba jual produk diorang dgn harga yg mark-up gila2..ur choice..

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